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3 hours ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

Politics is too much of a faff nowadays, far too much red tape and bollocks. Just appoint a dictator and be done with it 😂

People become too immersed with it also.

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5 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

@Northants Pie so on what basis should Trump "instruct" May to sue the EU?

@Cliftonpie awaiting response on my Capital & Conflict commentary

No i wasn't so much talking about that its more his approach to doing deals, he starts by saying what can you do for us not how can we lay down for you like our politicians.

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I think Brexit will go down as the biggest farce in British political history.  It was sheer stupidity to ask the general public to vote on an issue as complicated as this.  The campaign from both sides was based on outright lies and scare stories, and the best liars managed to gain a small majority.   Their top lie of "let's give the £350 million we'll save to the NHS" might well have been enough to swing the vote on its own.  The problem is that nobody had a clue what leaving the EU actually meant.  The worrying thing is that two years down the line still nobody has a clue, including the negotiating team!  What we are left with is a government where most of the big names are more concerned with their future career prospects than working on a good deal, and the opposition parties are more concerned with bringing down the government than working on a good deal.  That means the average man and woman in the street is likely to be worse off.  This is a vote that never should have happened, but now it has future generations will have to live with the consequences.

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I think this debate should be on the Mad site, always thought PON abhored political OT's. 

I don't log onto here to talk politics, I do it to talk about football. If I wanted to talk crap (sorry, I mean politics), I would be on a political site.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Fozzy said:

I think this debate should be on the Mad site, always thought PON abhored political OT's. 

I don't log onto here to talk politics, I do it to talk about football. If I wanted to talk crap (sorry, I mean politics), I would be on a political site.

 

 

Just avoid the topics you're not interested in or don't like @Fozzy,that's what I  usually do.I only came on this thread to see what  other people on PoN  thought.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 17/07/2018 at 22:49, TheSkipper said:

This is why I have nothing to do with politics, every side think they're the one in the right. 

I think @Elite_pie 's post below just about sums my opinion up

18 hours ago, Elite_pie said:

I think Brexit will go down as the biggest farce in British political history.  It was sheer stupidity to ask the general public to vote on an issue as complicated as this.  The campaign from both sides was based on outright lies and scare stories, and the best liars managed to gain a small majority.   Their top lie of "let's give the £350 million we'll save to the NHS" might well have been enough to swing the vote on its own.  The problem is that nobody had a clue what leaving the EU actually meant.  The worrying thing is that two years down the line still nobody has a clue, including the negotiating team!  What we are left with is a government where most of the big names are more concerned with their future career prospects than working on a good deal, and the opposition parties are more concerned with bringing down the government than working on a good deal.  That means the average man and woman in the street is likely to be worse off.  This is a vote that never should have happened, but now it has future generations will have to live with the consequences.

When the original vote took place why wasn't a clear majority of,say 60/40 or 70/30 for or against  put in place.What fun we could all have for years to come while  revotes took place....NOT

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6 hours ago, Fozzy said:

I think this debate should be on the Mad site, always thought PON abhored political OT's. 

I don't log onto here to talk politics, I do it to talk about football. If I wanted to talk crap (sorry, I mean politics), I would be on a political site.

I try to stay clear of politics myself, it's just too strong minded and usually driven by fiction on both sides of the argument.

As my dad says @Fozzy stick to the other topics.

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@Fozzy Think people should be allowed to discuss it, there's room for it but people need to avoid going all OTT.

I stick with the fun things myself.

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On 22/07/2018 at 20:44, Elite_pie said:

I think Brexit will go down as the biggest farce in British political history.  It was sheer stupidity to ask the general public to vote on an issue as complicated as this.  The campaign from both sides was based on outright lies and scare stories, and the best liars managed to gain a small majority.   Their top lie of "let's give the £350 million we'll save to the NHS" might well have been enough to swing the vote on its own.  The problem is that nobody had a clue what leaving the EU actually meant.  The worrying thing is that two years down the line still nobody has a clue, including the negotiating team!  What we are left with is a government where most of the big names are more concerned with their future career prospects than working on a good deal, and the opposition parties are more concerned with bringing down the government than working on a good deal.  That means the average man and woman in the street is likely to be worse off.  This is a vote that never should have happened, but now it has future generations will have to live with the consequences.

Absolutely spot on @Elite_pie well said, how can the man in the street possibly hope to know enough about all the complicated issues involved in being a member of the EU it’s ludicrous, we elect governments to govern not pass the buck to Joe Public.

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19 hours ago, Fozzy said:

I think this debate should be on the Mad site, always thought PON abhored political OT's. 

I don't log onto here to talk politics, I do it to talk about football. If I wanted to talk crap (sorry, I mean politics), I would be on a political site.

 

 

@Fozzy I think it is ok to talk politics as long as the debate is calm and reasoned and people respect others points of view whilst debating, which on this forum is usually the case. I don’t think PoN should be purely about Notts County or indeed football in general that’s why there is a section called “Broken Wheelbarrow” a place to chat about other things in life’s rich tapestry. If I see a topic which doesn’t interest me I just scroll on.

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On 22/07/2018 at 20:44, Elite_pie said:

I think Brexit will go down as the biggest farce in British political history.  It was sheer stupidity to ask the general public to vote on an issue as complicated as this.  The campaign from both sides was based on outright lies and scare stories, and the best liars managed to gain a small majority.   Their top lie of "let's give the £350 million we'll save to the NHS" might well have been enough to swing the vote on its own.  The problem is that nobody had a clue what leaving the EU actually meant.  The worrying thing is that two years down the line still nobody has a clue, including the negotiating team!  What we are left with is a government where most of the big names are more concerned with their future career prospects than working on a good deal, and the opposition parties are more concerned with bringing down the government than working on a good deal.  That means the average man and woman in the street is likely to be worse off.  This is a vote that never should have happened, but now it has future generations will have to live with the consequences.

Superb answer @Elite_pie This sums up the whole farce from beginning to end. Especially the part about future generations having to pick up the pieces of the mess created by the whole thing. It was done on a whim by a PM that then bottled it when the result came back that he didn't want, leaving another PM in charge who is even more clueless than he was!

The past two weeks have brought it sharply into focus for many. The options now seem to be deal or no deal! Maybe Noel E should be in charge of ringing the EU to see what their latest offer is! 

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Well done people so far on both sides of the argument for refraining from abuse and name calling. Passion is possible even when people are being civilised and respectful.


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On 17/07/2018 at 12:22, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

Politics is too much of a faff nowadays, far too much red tape and bollocks. Just appoint a dictator and be done with it 😂

I'll do it. If my boss lets me.

I immediately got German citizenship to cover my backside. It's worth pointing out that the political situation this side of the Channel isn't exactly rosy either, though. Brexit is a stupid idea and a complete mess, there's no question about that at all. I'm not exactly enamoured with the EU either, which is a project led by Thatcherites. I lived in Coventry when they shut the Peugeot plant down - the EU gave Peugeot a grant to relocate to Slovakia! And then the Lib Dems and co. wonder why their claims about jobs fall on deaf ears.

On the plus side of it all, when the UK referendum result was announced the price of Weetabix in Germany came down. I worked out that if I buy 1000 boxes of Weetabix, my German citizenship will pay for itself!

Re the thread: I don't see a problem with this as long as everyone stays civil. But the minute the handbags start flying is the minute the mods put their jackboots on ;)

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