Dear @Robbie "
"I believe the British people have given the Government a great opportunity to take advantage of the opportunities Brexit gives us.
For the sake of the Country, all of us, those who voted leave, & those who voted remain, should move on as citizens of our sovereign, independent Country & work together to make Brexit Successful."
I am sorry Robbie, there are practically ZERO advantages. @Ohh Tommy Johnson succinctly summarises: "That is why we will need to accept lower food standards, environmental standards, removal of working rights and freedom of movement and a lower standard of living. This is actually what we voted for, it was just dressed up as independence. There is no such thing in a globalised world."
As regards "should move on as citizens of our sovereign, independent Country & work together to make Brexit Successful."... again there is ZERO evidence or thought through strategy as to the means to achieve this. For example, the mantra "Taking control of our borders" has been proved meaningless in the context of international law.
Let me look back at one of your earlier postings:
https://www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/ten-reasons-that-justify-the-uks-decision-to-leave-the-european-union/
I begin to have to say everything is a trade off. A common criticism of Brexiteers is "cakeism"
1. Deals with the power of the trading block. The CAP has been good to UK farmers too. However the Australia and NZ agricultural deals have significantly hurt UK farming, where the govt chose NOT to protect UK farmings interests. Now lets look at the fishing industry. 80% of the fish caught in UK waters are the kind of fish the UK people generally don't like. Instead of being landed at Grimsby for sale, it now goes directly to EU ports own fishing markets, costing UK on shore jobs! Exporting jobs was NOT on the side of that infamous bus. Strategically too, one has to look at Russia to view that "food security" is vitally important, so if that results in a small premium on the cost of food, so be it.
2. EU misallocates resources...re CAP.... see my answer above on food security
3. anti democratic? I asked you before which EU laws in 45 or so years, you disagree with? As regards Northern Ireland, EU is only respecting what the UK signed up to in the Good Friday Agreement, which is registered at the United Nations
4. It's generally accepted that EU law covers pan European issues. An interesting use of the word "purposive"... English law has a lot to be desired...ask all those leaseholders left with crippling cladding bills!
5. The Euro has become a Reserve currency, with the GBP , (British pound) just becoming a satellite of the Euro on the international FX markets. Whilst highlighting banks which have not collapsed, I note the collapse of UK's Northern Rock hasnt been mentioned!
6. Aging demographics are not unique to the EU, the same applies to the UK. As for "Douglas Carswell, the former MP for Clacton, likened the UK’s membership of the EU to being ‘shackled to a corpse’.".... So £400bn in lost tax revenues from being outside the Single Market is a price worth paying? I think not.
7. "regional separatist movements" are unique to each individual national state and are not really EU related.
8. "increasing Euroscepticism in the EU" maybe, Germany, Italy, France but all three value the riches the EU has brought to them
9. Ukraine/ Russia.... so the Ukrainian people seemingly wish, as a democratic choice, to be with the EU. What's wrong with that? Look at Ukraine's history, especially the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor to see why Ukraine wants to be "West" leaning!
10. "there is massive corruption" in the UK too!!!! PPE, Furlough fraud, appointments to the House of Lords..I can go on. So UK corruption is fine and "sovereign" whilst EU's is not ... yes, I accept there has been some EU corruption...and corruption is BAD wherever it exists
So, Robbie, I too agree to disagree.
I want the UK to be a stronger country, economically socially environmentally... but these are more easily achieved by being in the EU Single market and customs union.
Always willing to debate on twitter in preference to here, if you so wish.
Along with @Ohh Tommy Johnson it's good to debate in a reasonable sense and with respect to other views