Seems I'm in the minority (a minority of 1!) on this subject! That's ok Isn't there a bigger point here though; how do we judge celebrities we've never even met? I never saw much of Ince as a player, some Man. U. games, a couple of really outstanding England games where he was a real driving force (as an iconic blood stained warrior-captain in Rome for the '98 World Cup qualifiers, for example), but he always seemed to have a passion for the game that I admired, many 'superstars' (Shearer, Lineker, Ashley Cole, Lampard, spring to mind) have lacked, imo. He hasn't been a great success as a manager. Stories of him playing golf when players turned up to train with him tend to stick like tar to his reputation. But a) as @Super_Danny_Allsopp says: I don't like to see anyone get the sack, lots of people become star "staff" and then fail to make the transition to management - but it doesn't take away from the fact they were star staff, does it? c) Ince was a first class athlete, no matter what you think of him as a manager, and he's never given in to the easy temptations of success that knobbled Gascoigne, Merson, Venables, Best et al. Would I want him back as Notts manager? Not on your life! Do I admire him as player/athlete? Yes, I really do, and for that reason I'm not happy to see him fail.