@Robbie I wouldn't count on it, proving you wrong  that is. Southgate is a Yes Man, that's why the F.A. like him, and realistically what ever happens to England in this Tournament, it's time for Southgate to go, something which should have happened a while ago.

The Men to take over the England Squad? Either Eddie Howe or Shaun Dyce.  Both are Inspirational Leaders and both have turned unfancied teams in Bournemouth and Burnley into Premier League Teams when they were in charge. Even when Burnley were Relegated Dyce brought them back up. Both now are doing  excellent jobs at Newcastle and Everton.

 

@Wheelbarrow repair man I think what we are discussing regarding England Managers would be a good topic to discuss on a fresh thread because there's only ever been one England manager that's come anywhere near being called a GOAT & that's Alf Ramsey, although you could say that he was a yes man too. The FA really do like those types of Manager don't they.

 

The best England Manager there never was.

 

@Robbie Which is why Cloughie never got the England Job. I remember in an interview Brian Clough stated that the FA were worried that if he was appointed England Manager, he'd want to take over everything and Run It Properly. And I would have he stated. If Brian Clough and Peter Taylor had lead England in the 1970's I am 100% Convinced there would have been more Trophies in the England Trophy Cabinet. 

On 14/06/2024 at 22:41, Wheelbarrow repair man said:

All the talent he has available England should have Won a Major Tournament by Now. But the further England advance in a Tournament Southgate reverts back to his negative tactics instead of letting his players play with flare and use their Natural Abilities.

he brought success to the england u21s, the squad lacked direction and fight prior to gareth southgates appointment. allowing the england manager to work with the young players, building them up and giving experience to those who are future first team stars was the best decision the english fa have done. it allowed southgate to bring in players who would have gone over looked.

the biggest failure team wise is the golden generation.

i disagree somewhat about we should have won, i have always felt we have overachieved team wise. it was not long ago that harry kane had no competition for his place. the midfield only had individual stars and not a team. every manager tends to have negative tactics, but southgate is proving himself to be one of the best.

he did well with middlesborough too.

@liampie

What a Boring Web Site PON would be if we all Agreed about everything, would it Not?  You and I it seems Agree to Disagree about Southgate. His success with the England Under21's I was not fully aware of, however as they say You Can't Keep Living On Past Glories. And while his Results Record is Good his Legacy will reflect the fact like a lot of England Managers before him he failed to Win a Major Tournament.  Yes I know the Euro's are still being played at the moment, but Hand On Heart I Can't See England Winning the Competition. I would be more than happy to be proven Wrong.

And even if Southgate's England Team are Crowned Europe's Best. He's a Million Miles Away From being the G.O.A.T. Which is what this topic was all about and which seems we've wondered off.

Edited June 18, 20242 yr by Wheelbarrow repair man

@liampie @Wheelbarrow repair man

I agree with you liampie to a certain extent regarding Southgate and his involvement with the under 21s.

However,  Peter Taylor has a good record as England under 21 Manager too. Over two periods & one match as caretaker he only had 3 defeats in 31 games as manager.

He knew lots of young players who went on to play for the senior England side, but Peter Taylor was continually overlooked for the Senior England Manager role.

Stuart Pearce had a great record as England under 21 Manager too, just 5 defeats in 41 matches.

That's why I wouldn't say that Southgate's experience as an under 21 Manager was a factor in him getting the senior role.

To be honest, I think Peter Taylor was a better Manager than Southgate, but again, I think politics was involved again why Taylor wasn't considered for England Manager.