BREXIT.....

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

7 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

I did try to respond to your Labour antisemitic question and to also point out the Tory example too. If you wish to go further, I will point you to this

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/28/jewish-groups-and-mps-condemn-nigel-farage-for-antisemitic-dog-whistles

Perhaps we differ on definitions and conclusions of a "fairer society", because at the extreme it could be argued to encompass communism, socialism et al. 

What I would point out that this list is a fair basis to start

What isn't there to dislike?

"All EU laws still in place should be repealed and replaced with superior British laws, that have been fully debated in both houses, and passed by our Parliament, not a foreign Parliament."

As regards EU law, it was voted on in the UK parliament in the Bill to formally enshrine all EU law. The laws must have been good because the Tories have hardly done anything to change it!

Furthermore, all Brexiteers talking about British standards seem to have overlooked, we accept EU standards now in the UK Parliament

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-31/uk-drops-bid-to-replace-europe-s-ce-quality-mark-post-brexit

"As for the ECHR. We should withdraw from the ECHR and have a more superior British Bill of Rights"...a far right trope. The ECHR was set up in the main by British lawyers, it is recognised as an international court and its enshrined into international laws at the United Nations. It's incorporated in the Good Friday Agreement, which respectfully, was democratically voted on in Northern Ireland.

Only Belarus and Russia have left the ECHR...so that tells you everything you need to know. You wish to be on the side of dictators?

I'm sure you said earlier in this thread some while back that UK law should over rule international law? That is an untenable situation to be in. United Nations has been formed out of wars / conflicts.

For the average man in the street, Brexit has been a disaster, pushing costs up, environmental standards down, loss of personal freedoms, exports to EU suffering with mountains of paperwork, the cost of which can make our exports uncompetitive. Exporting of jobs to the EU is another. Don't get me on securing our borders, the loss of Europol database, we don't know who is entering the country with criminal / murderous records. £400bn annual tax revenues lost, that could be used to support essential public services. I've said before, Brexit toxic culture has seen very good EU qualified medical staff leave the UK and not be replaced. How's that for the average uy having to wait 2 weeks for a GP or even to find a NHS dentist?

So you see, the average man is so much worse off...and brexiteers still cant point to any visible benefit to "this average man". The Brexit ideology cannot answer real world problems and the consequences that come with that. 

I am truly sorry if you don't see it my way. Brexit has been a disaster.

The postings of Tufton Street, American neo liberal think tanks etc are all about protection of UK's own tax havens. Why do they deserve to be protected? We the average citizen, end up paying more tax

 

 

@Piethagoram.

The trouble with the numbers in Parliament is the pro EU faction have the majority and have had that majority all along, you may like that but Brexit has given the British parliament the opportunity to exploit Brexit to the full, which they certainly haven't done 

The Parliament accepted EU standards because the majority  of Parliament is pro EU. We've got rid of 1000s of EU laws, regs and rules but that's not enough.

Take fishing, EU fishermen still have larger quoters than British fishermen. That is not exploiting Brexit.

Northern Ireland still in the Single Market. That's not exploiting Brexit 

They are just two examples but you'll get my point 

The USA, Canada, Japan, Brazil, Mexico, & Argentina to name just a few are not in the ECHR, why should we?

Brexit can get much better if Parliament really wanted it, but unfortunately at this time they don't have the desire to make it better. There is so much that could be done.

The fact that we are out of the EU and don't participate in the Parliament is great and that's what is great about Brexit.

With the right Brexit government, Brexit will get better and better. 

In 20 years, people will not even be discussing Brexit, because the great benefits of Brexit will be taken for granted.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

4 minutes ago, Robbie said:

@Piethagoram.

The trouble with the numbers in Parliament is the pro EU faction have the majority and have had that majority all along, you may like that but Brexit has given the British parliament the opportunity to exploit Brexit to the full, which they certainly haven't done 

The Parliament accepted EU standards because the majority  of Parliament is pro EU. We've got rid of 1000s of EU laws, regs and rules but that's not enough.

Take fishing, EU fishermen still have larger quoters than British fishermen. That is not exploiting Brexit.

Northern Ireland still in the Single Market. That's not exploiting Brexit 

They are just two examples but you'll get my point 

The USA, Canada, Japan, Brazil, Mexico, & Argentina to name just a few are not in the ECHR, why should we?

Brexit can get much better if Parliament really wanted it, but unfortunately at this time they don't have the desire to make it better. There is so much that could be done.

The fact that we are out of the EU and don't participate in the Parliament is great and that's what is great about Brexit.

With the right Brexit government, Brexit will get better and better. 

In 20 years, people will not even be discussing Brexit, because the great benefits of Brexit will be taken for granted.

"The Parliament accepted EU standards because the majority  of Parliament is pro EU."...still a huge Tory majority, so this doesn't wash

"Take fishing, EU fishermen still have larger quoters than British fishermen."... you are missing the point, UK coastal waters have fish that is only wanted in EU markets. Hence Grimsby is suffering, as the fish market personnel were lied to by Boris, and has cost their jobs...as the fish is now directed to EU ports

"Northern Ireland still in the Single Market." That's what the people of Northern Ireland voted for! Why don't you like democracy? That's what Boris delivered "the will of the people" and all that.

"The USA, Canada, Japan, Brazil, Mexico, & Argentina to name just a few are not in the ECHR" How's your geography @Robbie? They are not in Europe!The ECHR is a fundamental part of the Good Friday agreement, voted on in UK and Irish Parliaments.

"Brexit can get much better" How? You are dilusional, I am sorry to say. The Trans Pacific partnership will only deliver 0.04% growth under the government's own figures. The UK has lost 4% GDP...so less money for public services.

Brexit is being driven by neo liberalism... where workers rights, holidays etc are trashed under the disguise of Freeports and Charter Cities. Why should UK tax havens be protected. A good question to answer Robbie? 

Still no response on North Sea Oil under Labour too. I will wait.

 

 

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram 

I try to debate with you but you don't want that.You have a closed mind.

Resorting to calling Brexiteers names again such as "deluded" is a Remoaner FBPE tactic every time. I expect it.

The trouble is, you've had this thread to yourself for such a long time you don't like being challenged in any way. You think you are right and everybody else with an alternative  view is wrong.

And I believe you use this thread as a Remain propaganda tool. That's why you complain about what you think is non Brexit posts.

Thing is, you don't want to see anything positive about this Country on this thread and it riles you doesn't it, when you see it, so that's when the name calling and smears start..

Just carry on with your negativity.

It's a wonder why many other members don't post on this thread and I can understand why.

I'll keep posting Brexit positivity and readers can make their own mind up.

Personally, I believe this thread should be archived.

 

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

On the contrary, I welcome challenge @Robbie

I welcome the debate too.... but I am just pointing out that for the average guy in the street, the Brexiteers have no answers to what will make his life better.

Just think about, Brexiteers championed the removal of VAT on fuel...it didn't happen

We now have the highest energy costs in Europe. Other EU countries looked after their citizens by capping fuel costs last year. You only have to see the British Gas profits today, to wonder , who the govt are really looking after.

I call out gaslighting when I see it.

I am patriotic about this country, I want a strong economy of high growth. I am waiting on an urgent referral list on the NHS, decimated by EU doctors, surgeons, nurses who abandoned the UK because of the Brexit toxic culture.

Again, you had no answers re NHS EU dentists that left....

That's why I say delusional ... it hasn't made life any better but worse. You happy with increased food prices, the paperwork, the inevitable lack of choice as EU lorry drivers give up at ports waiting in the queue? I'm not, Brexit has brought hardly any worthwhile benefits.

You happy with high paid City jobs being exported to Paris, Amsterdam and Dublin. I'm not

You happy with our own freedom of movement being curtailed? 

You happy with the protection of UK tax havens...so every UK mainland citizen pays more in tax to make up the £400bn tax shortfall now we are out of the EU? I'm not

Whether it's economic, legal, social.... Brexit has been a disaster

The UK government has to respect international law, it's told China to do so over Hong Kong...so why should we even consider breaking the Good Friday Agreement for the Unionists in Northern Ireland? 

The Northern Ireland people voted for the GFA and hence to be in the Single Market

 

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

28 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

On the contrary, I welcome challenge @Robbie

I welcome the debate too.... but I am just pointing out that for the average guy in the street, the Brexiteers have no answers to what will make his life better.

Just think about, Brexiteers championed the removal of VAT on fuel...it didn't happen

We now have the highest energy costs in Europe. Other EU countries looked after their citizens by capping fuel costs last year. You only have to see the British Gas profits today, to wonder , who the govt are really looking after.

I call out gaslighting when I see it.

I am patriotic about this country, I want a strong economy of high growth. I am waiting on an urgent referral list on the NHS, decimated by EU doctors, surgeons, nurses who abandoned the UK because of the Brexit toxic culture.

Again, you had no answers re NHS EU dentists that left....

That's why I say delusional ... it hasn't made life any better but worse. You happy with increased food prices, the paperwork, the inevitable lack of choice as EU lorry drivers give up at ports waiting in the queue? I'm not, Brexit has brought hardly any worthwhile benefits.

You happy with high paid City jobs being exported to Paris, Amsterdam and Dublin. I'm not

You happy with our own freedom of movement being curtailed? 

You happy with the protection of UK tax havens...so every UK mainland citizen pays more in tax to make up the £400bn tax shortfall now we are out of the EU? I'm not

Whether it's economic, legal, social.... Brexit has been a disaster

The UK government has to respect international law, it's told China to do so over Hong Kong...so why should we even consider breaking the Good Friday Agreement for the Unionists in Northern Ireland? 

The Northern Ireland people voted for the GFA and hence to be in the Single Market

 

 

@Piethagoram whatever you want to believe just believe it.

 

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

I'm sorry @Robbie You have no realistic or practical answers to the consequences of Brexit as to what I have outlined above.

The poorest in society suffer as food prices increase unnecessarily. Food standards drop. 

You cannot eat the ideology of "sovereignty". The UK has to respect international law and the government has a duty to look after it's people.

Security of food supply is paramount too and as we rely on Europe for a lot of our food, we as a country are just sanctioning ourselves. 

 

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Oh and on #Notts, in the EU, the Danish Bros could source the hidden talent in all over the EU without restriction. Just think that could make a major difference to get up the Leagues quicker. Another Ruben....  But some no nonsense Italian ball playing centre backs would have been nice!

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

I'm sorry @Robbie You have no realistic or practical answers to the consequences of Brexit as to what I have outlined above.

The poorest in society suffer as food prices increase unnecessarily. Food standards drop. 

You cannot eat the ideology of "sovereignty". The UK has to respect international law and the government has a duty to look after it's people.

Security of food supply is paramount too and as we rely on Europe for a lot of our food, we as a country are just sanctioning ourselves. 

 

Think what you like @Piethagoram but I don't agree with you on Brexit.

You carry on with your negativity. I will continue to post positivity from time to time and readers can make their own minds up.

 

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

3 hours ago, Robbie said:

You carry on with your negativity. I will continue to post positivity from time to time and readers can make their own minds up.

Some "positive" Brexit news ..... 

#RejoinEU

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29 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

Some "positive" Brexit news ..... 

#RejoinEU

You quote a toxic commentator who doesn't respect any alternative view. Good one @Piethagoram just sums up Remainers 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Away with the Remoaner negativity.

More good news stories for a Brexit UK.

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

7 hours ago, Robbie said:

Away with the Remoaner negativity.

More good news stories for a Brexit UK.

 

These postings, by an opaque account, (Tufton Street / neo-liberal - Russian?) have nowt to do with Brexit.

Oh perhaps the Scottish salmon story, doesn't reflect the harm on the UK fishing industry.... where fish are now directly landed in EU ports, costing British jobs at ports like Grimsby. Such value of trade lost. This is not negativity but #BrexitReality

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

3 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

 

@Piethagoram your constant negative posts about Brexit and the smearing of Brexiteers will get you nowhere. 

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

4 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

 

Your negativity has no bounds @Piethagoram you even believe the word of a Russian spouting lying propaganda to further your agenda. Sad

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

We keep hearing negative news about the UK economy coming from the Remoaner supporting MSMedia,,  the reality is quite different.

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

21 minutes ago, Robbie said:

We keep hearing negative news about the UK economy coming from the Remoaner supporting MSMedia,,  the reality is quite different.

 

From the House of Commons, look at that GROWTH in the Eurozone over 4 years. Don't be fooled, by opaque Tufton Street etc propaganda sites.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Brexit UK doesn't need a Labour government.

A Negative Labour Party would be disastrous for the UK economy.

Labour have always trashed the UK economy when in power  It will be no different with Captain Hindsight at the Wheel. He doesn't even know how to steer a steady course, he changes course so often.

#NeverLabour

 

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EU is DOOMED to failure!' Michael Knowles on sham EU project, 'inversion' of freedom of speech and war on woke.

Daily Wire host Michael Knowles believes the EU is “doomed to failure” and it is just a matter of time before it ceases to exist.

He told Patrick Christys on GBN America that the bloc is attempting to “recreate a Christian empire without Christianity”.

“Since the fall of Rome, there has been efforts to create a new empire for the West”, he said.

 

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Anti Brexit Labour will be a disaster for the UK.

The EU loving Labour Party would rather follow EU directives than look after the working class in this Country.

 

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