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5 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

 

Meanwhile...

UK covid-19 vaccinations administered: 500,000+
EU covid-19 vaccinations administered : 0

MHRA Passes vaccine for use 2nd December 

EU Passes same vaccine 21st December 

Sometimes it’s worth paying a bit more to get it first.

 

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6 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

But @Fozzyhow are we going to get more of the vaccine when our ferry ports are at a standstill?

In terms of money, UK government's Track and Trace £12 billion spent ( and it still doesnt work), Ireland's is £700m.

That would be called an Aeroplane mate....

I’m not a fan of this government and it has made some gigantic mistakes and wasted shed loads of money regarding COVID, but will give it (or rather the MHRA) credit with passing the vaccine for use and the NHS for distributing it.

The EU’s response has been very slow and they had to bring this decision forward because countries are desperate for the vaccine.

I’ll be interested to see numbers when it comes to vaccine distribution on how all the 27 countries will receive the same amount of vaccine per head at the same time.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

 

😆 Stop it!

22 hours ago, Fozzy said:

Meanwhile...

UK covid-19 vaccinations administered: 500,000+
EU covid-19 vaccinations administered : 0

MHRA Passes vaccine for use 2nd December 

EU Passes same vaccine 21st December 

Sometimes it’s worth paying a bit more to get it first.

 

Please delete this, it doesn't fit the narrative...

EU only passed it after the Germans had enough of waiting for them to ratify it too, otherwise they'd be waiting well into the new year. 

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On 22/12/2020 at 14:21, Fozzy said:

That would be called an Aeroplane mate....

I’m not a fan of this government and it has made some gigantic mistakes and wasted shed loads of money regarding COVID, but will give it (or rather the MHRA) credit with passing the vaccine for use and the NHS for distributing it.

The EU’s response has been very slow and they had to bring this decision forward because countries are desperate for the vaccine.

I’ll be interested to see numbers when it comes to vaccine distribution on how all the 27 countries will receive the same amount of vaccine per head at the same time.

 

 

Here in Hesse, they aren't even opening the vaccination centres until the end of January as there won't be enough doses available until then. Most of the vaccine is being manufactured in Marburg, Hesse. According to the health minister, they're aiming to get around 6 million people vaccinated in the first quarter, so it could take a while to vaccinate the 60-odd million we need for herd immunity...

The European (I'm including the UK in this) response to the pandemic has been a joke. Instead of learning from countries like South Korea and China, which have already dealt with numerous such outbreaks before, our governments have sat on their hands because they thought Western folk wouldn't want to surrender their freedom. And now we're absolutely riddled with it and have passed it on to the rest of the world too. Bravo.

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On 23/12/2020 at 18:23, DangerousSausage said:

Here in Hesse, they aren't even opening the vaccination centres until the end of January as there won't be enough doses available until then. Most of the vaccine is being manufactured in Marburg, Hesse. According to the health minister, they're aiming to get around 6 million people vaccinated in the first quarter, so it could take a while to vaccinate the 60-odd million we need for herd immunity...

The European (I'm including the UK in this) response to the pandemic has been a joke. Instead of learning from countries like South Korea and China, which have already dealt with numerous such outbreaks before, our governments have sat on their hands because they thought Western folk wouldn't want to surrender their freedom. And now we're absolutely riddled with it and have passed it on to the rest of the world too. Bravo.

There isn't much arguing with that. Even the countries that seemingly did quite well, like Germany in the first wave, are now as bad as most other places. The Eastern European countries seemed well-off in the first wave (probably due to population density or travel intensity, I'm guessing, as it certainly wasn't government response) are now having a real bad  time of it. If you'd wind back the clock, the response would no doubt be better, but I doubt many European governments are competent enough (and their populace willing enough) to achieve elimination. Europe was riddled with the virus while China was still murdering its own doctors trying to warn us all. 

Looks like the U.K will approve the Oxford vaccine too and start vaccinating the elderly and vulnerable with a bit more speed. That should unburden the NHS and allow most people to get back to a sense of normality, even as the virus circulates in the younger, healthy population. Meanwhile vaccinations will be ongoing and hopefully around late 2021 we'll have something resembling herd immunity and normality. 

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8 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

 

Nonsense.

The UK have ordered only 7 million doses of the Modena vaccine whilst the EU ordered 240 million (initial 160 and a further 80).

The EU did offer for us to join their purchase program but that would have meant the 800k people already vaccinated would have still been left at risk from their dithering.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Fozzy said:

Nonsense.

The UK have ordered only 7 million doses of the Modena vaccine whilst the EU ordered 240 million (initial 160 and a further 80).

The EU did offer for us to join their purchase program but that would have meant the 800k people already vaccinated would have still been left at risk from their dithering.

 

 

Correct. Economies of scale. 

 

hussein kanji

Dec 23

Misinformation from me. From more research, the price deltas appear to be true but the UK ordered 7m of Moderna and 40m of the Pfizer vaccine, whereas the EU has ordered 160m doses of Moderna and 200m of Pfizer doses (with an option to buy an extra 100m).

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