The talent drain from Scotland, Brexit being a significant factor

[Piethagoram]

 

[Wheelbarrow repair man]

What Utter and Total BULL S*** if people can't Blame it on  Climate Change, or Donald Trump then it's Brexit's Fault. NO IT'S NOT.

It's the FAULT of the English and Scottish F.A's instead of Encouraging BRITISH TALENT they continually rely on allowing the influence of Foreign Players  Coaches, and Owners in their Top Leagues who Strangle the Up and Coming Talent of British Youngsters, who if they want to advance their Careers most will have to Go and play in Europe. Jordan Sancho and Jude Bellingham cases in point. 

Look at Sancho he was Ripping it up in Germany, then he joins Manchester Untied and their Dutch Head Coach and he he have a falling out instead of trying to Fix things with his player what does Ten Hag Do ? Throws a Wobbly and condemns Sancho to training on his own or with the United Youth Team. Very Grown Up Not. Another Foreign Coach who almost ruined an English Players Career Pep Guardiola, look what he did to Joe Hart Destroyed the Lad's Confidence, repeatedly loaned him out and Why? Because he struggled playing the Sweeper Keeper Role. Thankfully Joe went to Celtic and Ended his Career on a High Note.

So it's NOT BREXIT. It's the Powers That Be in British Football.

[Robbie]

Well said @Wheelbarrow repair man I couldn't have said it better myself.

[DangerousSausage]

It seems counter-intuitive but the article makes an important point - as clubs can no longer recruit players aged 16 and 17 from the EU, they're increasingly looking north of the border instead. Some of those young players will no doubt benefit from the superior facilities and coaching on offer, while many more will fall by the wayside. And of course Scottish clubs are finding it more and more difficult to hold on to young talent.

All the familiar disadvantages of the academy system - in which the big clubs hold all the cards and can entice youngsters for a relative pittance - come into play, Scottish clubs are just more exposed to it than they were before.

[Piethagoram]

Spot on @DangerousSausage

@Wheelbarrow repair man The Premier League is sold around the world, because the world audience want to see the best talent, most of which is from overseas. That's why the "product" is in demand and television audiences around the world pay the big bucks to the Premier League. 

Unfortunately the Premier League kept the 100% of overseas television rights, rather than proportion it down , like the English television deal, where the allocated sum is dividend down as 80% championship, 12% EFL1 8% EFL2

This is , with due respect,  a ludicrous comment "Another Foreign Coach who almost ruined an English Players Career Pep Guardiola, look what he did to Joe Hart Destroyed the Lad's Confidence, repeatedly loaned him out and Why? Because he struggled playing the Sweeper Keeper Role. "

Pep soon realised that Joe Hart didn't fit in the sweeper keeper role, so effectively got rid. I am still surprised Slocombe is still at Notts, as he is no way good enough as a sweeper keeper too. 

Perhaps what is telling Burnley signed Hart for only £3.5m. One can say his Man City career had been seemingly littered with errors. Even Mancini had serious questions over Hart.

Just to reiterate, the article is in the Sports section of The Herald.

Ireland own football clubs, are also faced with the same dilemma, as the old existing Treaty with the UK, allows for continual free movement between UK and Ireland. 

 

 

[Robbie]

@Piethagoram

"the best talent, most of which is from overseas"

I beg to differ on that one.

There are dozens of home grown players that are very talented & should be playing in the PL, but in my opinion are being held back, just like the home grown managers are.

[Piethagoram]

We agree to differ @Robbie If that was the case, clubs will be playing more English players as they would probably be cheaper.

The one consequence of so many foreign players, the English talent has been cascaded down the leagues. In all my years of supporting Notts, the quality of EFL2 now is the highest its ever been!

[DangerousSausage]

"Overseas" is a vastly bigger talent pool than just the UK, you're inevitably going to find better players and managers because of the sheer numbers. And Premier League clubs are wealthy enough to cherry-pick the best.

Whether that's what they SHOULD be doing is a different matter. Of course we need to provide incentives for clubs to promote domestic talent, otherwise PL clubs will just assemble global dream teams and our young players won't get a look-in, hindering their development.

The knock-on effect for smaller Scottish clubs is that PL clubs are taking a closer look at young Scottish players and helping themselves.

[Robbie]

The problem we have is that home grown players, who at a different time would have been good enough to play in either the Championship or Premier League are now having to go further down the league pyramid to find work.

Also, home grown Head Coaches, coaches & assistant coaches are having to do the same thing to get work 

I personally don't think that it is a good thing for our domestic game and our national teams that this is happening..

A coach who coaches a team in league 2 still has to be as good , as if not better than a coach who coaches in the PL. 

The coach is still trying to do the same job no matter what league the team is in. Finish as high as possible.

Dan Crowley is good enough to have played in the old first division, when most of the players were home grown, & first division teams were still winning European Cups.

[Piethagoram]

@Robbie "I personally don't think that it is a good thing for our domestic game and our national teams that this is happening."

Southgate has taken the national team to semi finals and finals in recent years. The continental influence on the "English" game has been significant.

I have mentioned before on other threads, when Russia tried to boost the number of domestic players in their top league, by restricting foreign players, the overall quality of the league fell.

The PL full of foreign coaching and playing talent is the "cash cow" of the football world.

Perhaps, people are putting too much emphasis on the "coach" now. Football has moved on, it's the clubs overall coaching staff, from manager to head of recruitment, physical / strengthening coach..the overall "package" is now the most important, not just one man. 

One key point though, the richness of the Premier League clubs can afford to keep "young talent" until they are ready. Notts on the other hand, have found it difficult to transition players from youth team to 1st team as the financial funding gap has not been there, from ages 16 to say 19/20. 

[Robbie]

The Head Coach position is still an important part of a football club, because the Head Coach will normally appoint his own coaching staff when he is appointed at a club.

The Head Coach will have people around him who will believe in his coaching methods. Just look at Stuart Maynard. He bought in his own coaching staff when he joined Notts.

And a far a Russia is concerned, Russia is not one of the strongest footballing nations, England is, for all said and done we invented the game .

There are home grown players capable of playing in the PL right now but are being held back,I just don't think that is right.

As for Management talent,

I believe that there are better managers & coaches in the lower leagues than there are in the PL

As I've said before, get these foreign Head Coaches to go to a ninth tier side with little funds & get them promoted multiple times. I think you'll find it won't happen.

[Piethagoram]

Seriously @Robbie "As I've said before, get these foreign Head Coaches to go to a ninth tier side with little funds & get them promoted multiple times. I think you'll find it won't happen."...yes, because they can't get work permits following Brexit

[Robbie]

@Piethagoram

Foreign coaches won't go into the lower leagues because they simply won't succeed at that level. 

[liampie]

i think even without brexit, scottish teams may struggle to retain their better young talent. a lot of them were poached prior to it, but it might be more likely that premier league teams do look north. we are guilty of overlooking out own home grown talent, suffocating their potential for the belief that you can only find world class players overseas. it all comes down to ability and potential, i believe most really good players have the ability of being class. i think if callum mcgregor had left celtic, he would have reached higher achievements despite him doing well with the club he loves.

personally, i think its better that young foreign players are harder to sign now.

it should be a good thing for england, scotland, wales and northern ireland. as younger players should be getting more of a chance, those outside the uk should reach their potential and most likely would be able to be signed once they are of a better age so i dont see that as an issue.

being able to fill english academies with so many players from other nations, i think is worse. chelsea having been recently spoken about for failing to make world class talent count with jose mourinho. you might say it makes the playing field more fairer for uk based players.