Question 5 about the FA cup

[ivansneck]

Three lists of top ten for you. But what are they lists of? All refer to the FA Cup since it started, but not including the qualifiying rounds.

List 1:   1st Notts County 2nd Nottingham Forest 3rd Derby County 4th Birmingham City 5th Stoke City 6th Aston Villa 7th Blackburn 8th Sheffield Wednesday 9th Preston 10th Sunderland

List 2:   1st Aston Villa 2nd Tottenham 3rd Manchester United 4th Everton 5th Arsenal 6th Blackburn Rovers 7th Sheffield Wednesday 8th Chelsea 9th Liverpool 10th West Brom

List 3:   1st Arsenal 2nd Tottenham 3rd Manchester United 4th Forest 5th Liverpool 6th Sheffield Wednesday 7th Bolton 8th Chelsea 9th Sheffield United 10th Reading

[AmericanPie]

List 1 have all won the fa cup once?
List 2 have made the final more than three times?
List 3 have all won the fa cup more than three times?

[Dripsey3]

Forest have won the FA Cup twice. Reading have never won the FA Cup. This is a difficult one. Is list 3, most semi-final appearances? 

[ivansneck]

10 hours ago, AmericanPie said:

List 1 have all won the fa cup once?
List 2 have made the final more than three times?
List 3 have all won the fa cup more than three times?

None of those

[ivansneck]

4 minutes ago, Dripsey3 said:

Forest have won the FA Cup twice. Reading have never won the FA Cup. This is a difficult one. Is list 3, most semi-final appearances? 

Nope

[DangerousSausage]

The first are the clubs that have participated in the FA Cup most. I'm pretty sure we've taken part in more FA Cup tournaments than any other club.

Could the second be the teams with the most FA Cup wins in the 20th century?

[ivansneck]

15 minutes ago, DangerousSausage said:

The first are the clubs that have participated in the FA Cup most. I'm pretty sure we've taken part in more FA Cup tournaments than any other club.

Could the second be the teams with the most FA Cup wins in the 20th century?

Number 1 is very nearly that, 2 points awarded but what happens to virtually all teams in the cup?

Number 2 - no.

[DangerousSausage]

They get knocked out?

[ivansneck]

47 minutes ago, DangerousSausage said:

They get knocked out?

Why do they get knocked out (usually)?

[DangerousSausage]

Ah, they're the teams with the most FA Cup defeats?

[Riverleeno]

So list 2 most fa cup victories (in all rounds)?

[ivansneck]

11 hours ago, DangerousSausage said:

Ah, they're the teams with the most FA Cup defeats?

And another two points for our resident Mannheimer. For an extra 2 why is the list of number of times knocked out not quite the same as number of games lost for some clubs? (number of defeats can be higher than times knocked out) @super_ram - you should get this!!

Nothing to do with penalties, games abandoned, postponed or awarded to the other team for some reason. This is genuaine defeats in the cup that didn't lead to the club being knocked out.

[ivansneck]

10 hours ago, Riverleeno said:

So list 2 most fa cup victories (in all rounds)?

I'll give you one point for getting close, but in order to win the most games is club is likely to have...?

[Fozzy]

2 hours ago, ivansneck said:

And another two points for our resident Mannheimer. For an extra 2 why is the list of number of times knocked out not quite the same as number of games lost for some clubs? (number of defeats can be higher than times knocked out) @super_ram - you should get this!!

Nothing to do with penalties, games abandoned, postponed or awarded to the other team for some reason. This is genuaine defeats in the cup that didn't lead to the club being knocked out.

Did it use to be a round robin event in the early days? I don't think it was a knockout event until nearer the 20th century.

[Fozzy]

2 hours ago, ivansneck said:

I'll give you one point for getting close, but in order to win the most games is club is likely to have...?

Played the most games in the Cup?

[ivansneck]

3 minutes ago, Fozzy said:

Played the most games in the Cup?

No because not all teams enter at the same stage.

[ivansneck]

5 minutes ago, Fozzy said:

Did it use to be a round robin event in the early days? I don't think it was a knockout event until nearer the 20th century.

No, it's always been knockout, but in one particluar season for some reason...?

Hint - Derby County

[Fozzy]

17 minutes ago, ivansneck said:

No, it's always been knockout, but in one particluar season for some reason...?

Hint - Derby County

Two legged ties?

[ivansneck]

2 minutes ago, Fozzy said:

Two legged ties?

And 2 points to Fozzy!!

in the first season after WW2, when Derby won the Cup, ties up to (I think) the quarter-finals were played over 2 legs, hence teams lost games but progressed to the next round on aggregate.

[ivansneck]

So Ladies and gentlemen, we only have List 3 still to get!!

Hint: Arsenal are at the top... (boring, boring Arsenal...)

[Dripsey3]

Most goals scored in the FA Cup? 

[ivansneck]

No, then the team at the top wouldn't be boring!!

[Fozzy]

So it has to be fewest goals conceded?!?

[ivansneck]

No

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[Dripsey3]

Jaysus...this is difficult.....

Hang on, a flash of inspiration......most draws! I'm right aren't I!