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[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

 Some of these are propaganda that Putin himself would've been proud of. I think there's a reason that Putin waited until now to invade Ukraine.... no Trump.... a weak Biden. Everything is Brexit's fault, yet no mention of Germany and Italy having being coerced into sanctions as to not threaten their reliance on Russian Gas (Germany) or their export of Gucci tack (Italy). Let's face it - Putin isn't scared of the EU's army because it's a shambles. They are grossly underfunded. The Bundeswehr is a skeleton of a force (despite just announced budget increases) and have made repeated errors recently (the current EU president contributed highly to that inadequacy).  Trump even highlighted this and called them out on it - perhaps if they'd done something about it Putin wouldn't have been so bold. 

Besides, EU membership has hardly been fantastic for the people and economy of former Soviet states in the East, Latvia being one example. Hardly a guaranteed  path to 'economic stability'. 

No fan of Brexit, but you have to give some kind of balance to the views presented. A child will be eaten by a Shark in South Africa and you'll somehow be able to link it to Brexit. 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Sorry @Super_Danny_Allsopp "Besides, EU membership has hardly been fantastic for the people and economy of former Soviet states in the East, Latvia being one example. Hardly a guaranteed  path to 'economic stability'. " This is absolute tosh. 

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[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

On 01/03/2022 at 11:33, Piethagoram said:

Sorry @Super_Danny_Allsopp "Besides, EU membership has hardly been fantastic for the people and economy of former Soviet states in the East, Latvia being one example. Hardly a guaranteed  path to 'economic stability'. " This is absolute tosh. 

I expected this response, because you are on one of the far extremes of the Brexit debate. The reality is that there have been many difficulties for the Eastern nations in entering the EU. The decrease or completely ceasing of previously manufactured goods, the high cost of living since adopting the Euro, especially with respect to wages, mass migration of youth to the more prosperous West. 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Dear @Super_Danny_Allsopp. I speak with experience, and that is why I have to challenge on Latvia, as you have so quoted. I have helped managed a company in Latvia. The "locals" would say be 95% in favour of the EU. Jobs have come to Latvia, high tech jobs as well. The youngsters have benefited from freedom of movement ( which work both ways). 

"I expected this response, because you are on one of the far extremes of the Brexit debate. ".... if extreme is considered "truth and reality", then I am! There are ZERO benefits to Brexit for the UK and also for Notts County in particular. If you think there are significant benefits, please feel free to respond

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

4 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Dear @Super_Danny_Allsopp. I speak with experience, and that is why I have to challenge on Latvia, as you have so quoted. I have helped managed a company in Latvia. The "locals" would say be 95% in favour of the EU. Jobs have come to Latvia, high tech jobs as well. The youngsters have benefited from freedom of movement ( which work both ways). 

"I expected this response, because you are on one of the far extremes of the Brexit debate. ".... if extreme is considered "truth and reality", then I am! There are ZERO benefits to Brexit for the UK and also for Notts County in particular. If you think there are significant benefits, please feel free to respond

Me too, which is why I highlighted it in particular. Perhaps you were one of the company managers that increased the staff wages in line with the increase in cost of living after the Euro adoption, but from my experience that would have been the exception and not the rule. You can google the average wage is in Latvia, probably one of the lowest in the EU while the prices in shops are higher than in Western Europe. Go outside of Riga to other cities/towns like Daugavpils, and I bet you can half that wage, if not more....

95% is simply false. 95% in 18-23 year old Uni students in the centre of Riga that will leave at the first opportunity, perhaps, but certainly not for the rest of the population, in my own experience. Considering the high amount of ethnic Russians in Riga particularly, it can never be 95% or even close to that. There are a number of polls that are freely available and here's one that suggest much lower than 95%, here's one at 45%: https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/politics/latvia-has-lowest-support-for-eu-among-baltics.a235132/, but others poll higher at 50-70%, depending on the year. 

Freedom of movement works well for the people leaving, but it doesn't necessarily work well for Latvia the country. I think Latvia has lost about 1/5th of its population since joining the EU. Speaking to people that were growing up around the turn of the millenium and later, they will tell you that half their classmates, or more, no longer live in Latvia. Latvia's a small place, granted, but most of these people aren't going to be returning. Let's be honest - nobody from other EU nations will move to Latvia, so it's very much not a two-way street, it's a one way exit lane and brain-drain. 

I'm sorry, but yes your views are the extremity. You've highlighted that by the fact you can't think of ANY benefits to Brexit - something the majority of people in the UK voted for. With any debate, no matter how contentious and strong your views may be, it is always well worth considering the opposite point of view, as there will always be positives and negatives to anything in life. Unfortunately in modern times, particularly the last few years, debates surrounding politics and other such topics are polarised. Real people and real life doesn't reflect the social muppets on twitter who create little echo chambers for themselves which results in - you guessed it - not being able to see the opposite side of the argument. 


As I've said before, I was (and still am) in favour of being in the EU - particularly as Brexit is costing me a lot in terms of time, paperwork and now increasingly where it really hurts - in my pocket! I like to believe I came to that viewpoint after considering the pros and cons - then analysing the weight of importance I'd give to those pros and cons. Silly me - should have just picked a side, joined twitter and claimed the other side are all morons!

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My experience of managing in Riga, was primarily based for a company selling in Euros but taking advantage of a lower cost base, say compared to Sweden. The employee base was highly skilled, hence where my 95% assumption was based on. I do note your comments on Latvia. Yes, like the reunification of Germany, where there has been a shift of the population westwards from the old East.

Making judgments does involve analysing the trade offs involved. However with the EU referendum, the Vote Leave ( under Russian influence) promises were and cannot be ever delivered. The electorate was lied to.

https://www.politico.eu/article/15-things-uk-vote-leave-promised-on-brexit-and-what-it-got/

 

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