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@Bainbridge NCFC It's not a case of scare mongering. International laws and regulations are there for all to see. Good Friday Agreement registered at United Nations. So you think if we break it because of Brexit, how will any country trust the UK's signature on any future agreements? So what happens if Boldewijn's contract at Notts has to be terminated in the event of a hard Brexit situation? Is that acceptable? What happens if UK pensioners abroad have to return as their Health insurance under the EU is no longer valid? It will break the NHS... Again, not scaremongering but EU law legalities? I am unfortunately old enough to know what the UK was like before the EU (EC as it was then). You learn from history....

Sorry @Bainbridge NCFC, some pretty feeble arguments being put forward "before EU, we were a great nation"??? Not in my opinion, OK we had the Commonwealth but the majority of those countries had NO money to buy British. In face the Commonwealth countries concluded themselves that to become economically richer, they should trade more with their nearest neighbours? Sound familiar? UK Fishermen saw an opportunity to cash in and sold their boats / quotas to Spanish companies and pocketed the cash. Farmers whether Agricultural / Livestock will find their ability to sell in Europe restricted as vet checks , non GM food declarations etc will put up costs...and what happens if lorries are having to wait 3 days on the M20....Its not a media scare story, its the report from Conservative run Kent County Council So you still believe the NHS funding lie on the side of the bus? Gullible or what? As @DangerousSausagepoints out, the UK will be paying net WTO tariff amounts way in excess of UK 's EU contribution payments....i.e. the UK will be wasting its own money. Apart from a few jokey inserts, tried to present my arguments backed by Facts... Its the Brexiteers, it's going to be all right on the night attitude I find frustrating. The UK will be hit economically with tax revenues plummeting, ...there is absolutely no evidence that UK will be able to replace those tax revenues quickly... I care for Notts and the UK, thats why I am so passionate about this topic

Alessandra brought down, should have been a red but though Crawley's defensive back line was in sync, the speed of the run meant that they could not be deemed as "covering players"...Red all the way

Maybe you cant recall what the UK was like before joining the EU... The FACTS that I have posted in this thread reveal the Rules of the EU and how they will affect us, especially post Brexit My sister has already lost her job, whole department's work moved to Germany and Luxembourg It's about risk management....the EU are the knowns, and have served us well ( always room for improvement) To leave, the leavers ignore the FACTS, walking away from International Agreements like the GFA...this is NOT acceptable.... You also blame the EU for pub closures?...... just how stupid have things become...nothing to do with the EU AGAIN

No scaremongering...just actual facts... We werent told to pay for Greece ( who brought it on themselves with retirement age at 50!) UK government wasnt bullied ( balderdash) Basically people were not told the truth and consequences.... UK will commit economic suicide with a no Brexit deal

@Bainbridge NCFCplease respond to this from an earlier posting...So you are willing to sacrifice the Good Friday Agreement ( so UK walks away from it's international legal obligations a la Russia)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/28/brexit-stockpiling-food-fear-government-feed https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/opinion/columns/leader/brexit-threat-to-our-food-standards-cannot-be-ignored/569923.article so who will "pick" the food in the fields of Lincolnshire?

@Bainbridge NCFC first link is wrong...only 1.7 billion not 17 billion!!!! UK had control over its borders, said no to migrants...so the article is an irrelevance ..EU cannot dictate absolute TOSH from the Sun...you seriously believe this rag? UK debt has tripled under the Conservative government...selective thinking???? Please explain by return, what are the UK economic responsibilities to Greece?

@hissingdwarfTorygraph article expresses an opinion but despite this, it's clutching at straws, don't think many Tory voters, when it comes to crunch time, will vote for Jeremy...as tabloid papers will flood the public again with "will the last one out, turn off the lights" "UK run by Trade Unions" So regional investment banks will need "heavy funding"..still doesn't answer where the money will come from? a Labour government to "print money"? will be interested to see the costings for this.... Agree that real driving force for Brexit, was EU's tax avoidance directives. What has the Cayman Islands ever done for us? I would sacrifice the lot of them in terms of opening up company registers, beneficial owners etc...it would be one of the best things the EU will have done

@Bainbridge NCFC ..."states headed by the EU".... well it's a European Court and most countries in Europe happen to be in the EU! The Court is independent of the EU, and was primarily set up by UK legal professionals. .."they needed a bail out"?...do you mean Greece? UK is not part of the Euro and therefore paid NOTHING. .."Membership fee was paid,,,,hence we struggle financially"...absolute TOSH.... look at the Pie Chart on link below.... EU % contribution of say nearer 1% https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29898083 Under WTO rules, net spend on tariffs likely to be more ...prices will go up, hence UK becomes poorer! So you are willing to sacrifice the Good Friday Agreement ( so UK walks away from it's international legal obligations a la Russia) , the car manufacturing / aerospace industries , financial services industry...mass redundancies for what? Tax income from these support the NHS..so government will turn round and say sorry tough decisions need to be made maybe...prescription charges treble, 3 week waits for GP appointments as EU doctors leave the UK..UK pensioners living abroad return to UK placing excessive burdens on the NHS I notice you did not respond to the point about lowering of food standards..as US chlorinated chicken , hormone induced beef come on to UK supermarket shelves? To me, this is not acceptable A no deal Brexit, the planes will stop flying, queues of lorries on M20, a Minister for Food Supply?????? What the hell is going on....is that what you wish for in "taking back control" Just show me the "evidence" that "we can leave the EU and thrive"...PS ...there isn't any

Another fair response @hissingdwarf Overhaul of the railways may appear admirable but recalling the Union driven decision making of the 1970's , it's looking like a return to the bad old days The Regional Investment Banks will need serious funding. Where is the "risk capital" coming from? "Localised knowledgeable finance"...hints at possible corruption maybe for "preferred projects". Not goading either, but this seems to be "centralised" decision making, albeit at a local level

Sorry @Bainbridge NCFC...European Court of Human Rights is NOT an EU institution..Nothing to do with the EU..... The UK rebutted the "refugees" so UK exerted its own sovereignty it seems you are blaming EU just for the sake of it where in actual fact, the UK is exerting its own decision making. The flip side, is that if we dont tie in with the EU, we will have a trade deal with Trump...where NHS is put up for sale to US Medical companies, agricultural products where level of pesticides would more than likely prevent the export of UK agricultural goods to the EU, chlorinated chicken and GM food products / hormone induced beef will be imported....fine if you are happy with this, but I certainly am not... the EU have already said any visa imposed by the UK, will be matched on the same basis...so holidays to Spain, costs will increase with charges for visas The status of all the retired UK citizens in Europe, what happens when the EHIC card ends, the NHS is stretched to breaking point...how will it cope with thousands more of elderly citizens seeking it services... This is not Project Fear, more Project Reality

@hissingdwarfgood response... The trouble is that Scotland, the SNP now acts as the Social Democratic party, similar to the Swedish model..... last election some Scots turned to Conservative rather than Labour...I honestly dont see any change...Labour has truly lost Scotland and cannot win it back IMHO No problem with taxing the richest 5% or tackling tax evasion, social house building "Nationalisation has been proven to work in a modern setting "...unfortunately not, Network Rail has failed to deliver on time or within budget on numerous projects... The performance has been a disgrace to the taxpayer Utility companies, dont mind get strict with them...but if Labour goes through with Brexit ( I have absolutely no confidence in them ever getting or delivering to a #PeoplesVote,), how is Labour going to deal with Hinckley Point Nuclear Power plant when it goes outside of Euratom? or electricity cuts in Northern ireland? Please explain the safeguards in Labour's policy? Still also concerned re regional investment banks? How different will they be than "normal banks"...if the project is good enough, normal banks will lend? If brexit goes ahead, there will be no money for structural funding? Not costed....

"How many time have you seen this country want to do something for the better of this country only for the EU to reject it. " Please provide some examples @Bainbridge NCFC

The problem is that Labour needs to win the "middle England" vote by taking Tory constituencies.... over the years, there is enough election evidence that these people dont vote for tax rises.. Labour may well increase votes in their own individual strong Labour areas but cannot see Corbyn, by taking Labour to the Marxist left ideology, he will disenfranchise so many potential voters ( including myself who sympathise with making a fairer Britain...but profoundly disagree with the way he is going about it) When figures of 80%+ of Labour members wanting a #PeoplesVote. Jeremy suddenly has a blind spot and cherry picks, refusing the members interest in this case.... Hardly democratic, don't you think. He seriously is Pro-Brexit and is willing to standby and see the destruction of the automobile industry, aerospace and financial services

@Bainbridge NCFC Don't mind you voting Leave but wondered with all the facts about Brexit reality, have you considered changing your mind? Like saving NHS or brexit, you cannot have both? @hissingdwarf watched your Labour video... Noting about crashing the economy, less tax revenues, "regional banks"? wheres the money going to come for all this, if car manufacturing and aerospace jobs go to the EU...what jobs will these workers do now? How many of those families have their main wage earner on the dole? These are the realities