The Race To Net Zero.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

On 03/10/2024 at 10:42, Robbie said:

Wouldn't you know, Tony Blair & Labour messed up regarding the UK's future Nuclear Energy needs.

"Tony Blair's plan to pave the way for a new generation of nuclear power stations by the time he leaves office was in disarray yesterday after the high court ruled the government had carried out a "misleading" and "seriously flawed" consultation on its energy review".

 

Judge deals blow to Blair's nuclear plans | Labour | The Guardian

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Court rules consultation on power stations was 'misleading and flawed'.

 

2007!!! @Robbie C'mon...what have the Tories done this past 14 years? Hinckley Point delays and delays.. No new onshore wind farms and you complain of high electricity costs? Hypocritical!

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

This is a good listen & very informative.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

To have your energy needs dependent on foreign Countries is a national security issue as far as I'm concerned.

 

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[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Why Net Zero is so important... Ask the people of Valencia

What to know about the unprecedented floods that killed more than 200 in Spain

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In the blink of an eye, the muddy water covered roads, railways and entered houses and businesses in towns and villages on the southern outskirts of Valencia city.

 

15 hours ago, Robbie said:

 

14 years of non action by Tory governments

Neglect in building nuclear power stations quickly enough, on shore wind farms too..so much Tory nimbyism.

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[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Sorry @RobbieI am getting tired of your postings of right wing propogandists Tice, Bernie, Guido, Net zero watch... 

How about posting from scientists who realise the damage to the planet, fossil fuel purveyors are doing?

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

The locals in Cornwall are not happy with this Labour Government.

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

This Labour Government gets crazier by the day.

Nothing they do is in the UK's interest. Just Labour's crazy interest.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Fury as UK beauty spot to be dug up and ruined under Ed Miliband's net zero plot.

Fury as UK beauty spot to be dug up under Ed Miliband's net zero plot | UK | News | Express.co.uk

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EXCLUSIVE: A picturesque strip of land in Lincolnshire is being ripped up to...

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

But @Robbie electricity infrastructure is necessary. Practicalities, its cheaper to deliver electricity with pylons than burying it underground. The nuclear power stations promised and then delayed by Tory governments, could have delivered cheaper energy. What a surprise the Express doesnt mention this? I wonder why 

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

On 04/11/2024 at 11:35, Piethagoram said:

Sorry @RobbieI am getting tired of your postings of right wing propogandists Tice, Bernie, Guido, Net zero watch... 

How about posting from scientists who realise the damage to the planet, fossil fuel purveyors are doing?

I don't think this is fair. You post almost exclusively from one viewpoint, Robbie is your antithesis.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Perhaps the way to look at it, is to find respected scientists publicly speaking at the World Climate conferences in favour of the fossil fuel lobby. 

In general, there aren't any!

[DangerousSausage]

You're all conflating two issues here.

Firstly, there's climate change. Companies with a vested interest in fossil fuels dedicate a lot of resources to lobbying and attempting to influence public opinion as this helps shore up their business. Net Zero Watch, which has been quoted on this thread, goes to great lengths to hide the sources of its funding, but we do know it has connections to the US oil industry. On the other side you have climate scientists, who have to disclose their funding and publish their findings in full for public scrutiny. Who do you trust to provide you with accurate information that isn't framed in a misleading way?

A good example of misleading information is the post by @Robbie showing the power sources for a single November day. We all know why November was chosen and not May or July. That day has been dishonestly cherry-picked to show the lowest possible share of renewables in power generation. Viewed over a whole year, renewable sources contribute over 30% of UK energy. 

Secondly, there's net zero and how we get there. If we care about energy security (and we should), we need to remember that fossil and nuclear fuels are imported. The UK does not have any significant uranium deposits. Renewables are the only game in town and they need to be planned sensibly.

Instead of denying climate change or spreading false claims about renewables put out there by vested interests, we need to be pushing politicians to make sure that the financial burden of this change isn't borne by those who are least able to pay for it - again! 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@DangerousSausage

Misleading information? In your opinion,  but in reality no

Autumn & Winter is the time when the temperature drops considerably, if you didn't notice.

There is going to be a big demand for power, electricity and gas usage is going to go up tremendously.

The Country no longer has the energy generation capacity to supply during peak demand.

Fossil fuels are still going to be relatively cheap in the US & now Trump is now in power he's going to reverse any movement to renewables, while this government will just carry on regardless to net zero.

Having to import electricity from abroad is a national disgrace, & shutting down the coal fired power stations & building windmills that have no wind to power them half the time, is a nation calamity.

Renewable energy is more expensive. We are also paying the renewable levy in our bills making our bills more expensive.

Shutting down Oil exploration, stopping new coal mines, shutting down the coalmines in the first place & banning fracking is going to put our industry, what's left of it, to a big disadvantage internationally. 

And domestic energy bills in this Country, which is the highest in the World, will only get more expensive, unless these policies are reversed.

And this Labour government stopped the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners just like me.

That's my take. People can judge by how expensive their bill is now, & in the future, but if anyone thinks that energy prices will ever reduce in this Country, think again.

The only way that they will reduce if government reverse this crazy obsession with green policies.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Perhaps the way to look at it, is to find respected scientists publicly speaking at the World Climate conferences in favour of the fossil fuel lobby. 

In general, there aren't any!

Generally, scientists who oppose this perceived general consensus on climate change are either shouted down, or cancelled. What happened to David Bellamy who dared to challenge that general consensus?

[DangerousSausage]

6 minutes ago, Robbie said:

Misleading information? In your opinion,  but in reality no

The poster used the data for one particularly dark, non-windy day when the data for an entire year was available. How is this not misleading? It's like claiming that Notts don't score many because Sam Slocombe hasn't scored yet.

11 minutes ago, Robbie said:

Having to import electricity from abroad is a national disgrace, & shutting down the coal fired power stations & building windmills that have no wind to power them half the time, is a nation calamity.

Coal is imported from abroad. In 2022, the UK became a net exporter of electricity for the first time in 44 years (source: Statista).

On top of that, the UK is a very windy country with a very long coastline. We could literally lead the world in wind power, reducing our dependency on dodgy foreign regimes for fossil fuels and giving us cleaner air. It will be cheaper in the long run too!

It's worth noting that power bills surged in the first place because we were overly dependent on Russia for gas. The same regime that is already being courted by Donald Trump. If we want to reduce our exposure, we need to become truly energy independent. Here's another reminder that the pages you've been sharing are financed by foreign oil companies that want us to keep paying for their oil! 

28 minutes ago, Robbie said:

The Country no longer has the energy generation capacity to supply during peak demand.

Batteries exist. Look up energy storage systems. Some former coal power stations are being repurposed as giant batteries so we can use excess energy in lean periods. 

16 minutes ago, Robbie said:

What happened to David Bellamy who dared to challenge that general consensus?

David Bellamy is a botanist. Would you go to a doctor of law if you had a broken leg? 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@DangerousSausagesaid 

"Batteries exist. Look up energy storage systems. Some former coal power stations are being repurposed as giant batteries so we can use excess energy in lean periods". 

Yes they exist. And what are happening to Lithium batteries catching fire in cars & battery factories. Once ignited they cannot be put out by conventional means, burning for days and giving out toxic chemicals.

Not just that, children are mining the lithium in the Congo under terrible conditions. Are you ok with that?.

So why was David Bellamy cancelled? I tell you why. Because his opinion as a scientist, whether he be a botanist or not, had weight and the establishment didn't like it. 

As for Germany, as of January 2023, Germany has three active brown coal mining districts:

After Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, the government kept some coal plants running as a backup. 

Source Google 

If it's ok for Germany?

[DangerousSausage]

Yes, fires from lithium ion batteries can be put out, albeit not with water. The danger has likely been overstated by the usual vested interests. All the same, it would be best to avoid lithium, and there are alternatives.

22 minutes ago, Robbie said:

So why was David Bellamy cancelled? I tell you why. Because his opinion as a scientist, whether he be a botanist or not, had weight

He's not taken seriously on this as it's not his area of expertise. I'm a linguist, but I have nothing worthwhile to say about the Japanese language. Why do you value his opinion over those who have dedicated their lives to climate science? 

24 minutes ago, Robbie said:

As for Germany, as of January 2023, Germany has three active brown coal mining districts

What have Germany's failings got to do with any of the above? Whataboutery.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@DangerousSausage said

He's not taken seriously on this as it's not his area of expertise. 

So why was he cancelled and not seen on TV once he gave his opinion? We all know why, the liberal establishment cancelled him. And he's not the only one against this foolhardy policy. 

 

Climate Emergency Not Supported by Data, Say Four Leading Italian Scientists – The Daily Sceptic

DAILYSCEPTIC.ORG

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Four leading Italian scientists have undertaken a major review of historical climate...

Of course you won't hear about it from the liberal woke media, but they are out there.

As for Germany. It's not a failing at all. It's good that the German government of the time treated national security seriously.

A Country has to use every natural resource available in the interests of their national security. Coal, Gas & Oil.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

This is what the liberal elites are pushing Now, (source Google).

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"The UK government wants to reduce meat consumption to help the environment and reduce diet-related diseases: 

The Climate Change Committee (CCC)

Recommends a 20% reduction in meat and dairy consumption by 2030, and a 35% reduction in meat by 2050. The CCC also suggests eating better meat and plant-based alternatives. 

Government-commissioned report

Recommends that people in the UK eat 30% less meat by the end of the decade to reduce the environmental impact of food production". 

In other words it's time to eat what we tell you for your own good. 

We ( being the state)  will control what you can say, & control what you think. We will control what you can eat. We will control what you burn to heat yourself.

What's next for Control?

How can anyone be happy with that?

[DangerousSausage]

He made his ill-founded comments in 2005. I remember him being on TV constantly in the 1980s and 90s, but he continued to get gigs in 2009, when he was pushing 80. David Bellamy lectures were held at Buckingham Palace in 2013 and 2014, when his denialist views were well known. A real thorn in the side of the establishment then.

1 hour ago, Robbie said:

As for Germany. It's not a failing at all. It's good that the German government of the time treated national security seriously.

It is absolutely a failing. Germany (and communist East Germany before it) has been mining this stuff for decades, not as a response to recent events. It is notoriously polluting and inefficient, with a much lower energy density than bituminous coal, meaning you need much more coal to get the same amount of energy. A few companies make a lot of money out of mining it though. 

Germany was highly exposed by the loss of Russian gas due to the complacency of the previous CDU government and had to take emergency measures. That's not the same as a long-term strategy.

Regarding that link, the Daily Sceptic is a conspiracy platform with alleged ties to the fossil fuel industry and that became well known for spreading lies about covid. They are trying to con you. Accurate and transparent information is there if you wish to find it. 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@DangerousSausage said 

"Regarding that link, the Daily Sceptic is a conspiracy platform with alleged ties to the fossil fuel industry and that became well known for spreading lies about covid. They are trying to con you. Accurate and transparent information is there if you wish to find it"

I don't see any accurate & transparent information from the MSMedia regarding climate change.

The article is about the findings of four Italian scientists. Are they lying, are they wrong? I think not.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Very interesting speech by Lord Frost opening a debate in the House of Lords on the cost of renewables.

Current subsidiaries for renewable energy is costing every household £400 per year.

When renewable energy isn't needed even though it is windy. The companies are paid £2.5 billion a year to switch the windmills off.

The cost of helping pensioners with the cost of energy this winter would have been just 1.4billion.