The Race To Net Zero.

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[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

ANDREW NEIL: Starmer wants to tell us what to eat, what to drive and how to heat our homes. His climate change obsession will be his downfall | Daily Mail Online

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The Prime Minister went in person and mob-handed to impress on everybody how Britain 'leads the world on climate...

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The Institute of Fiscal Studies calculates household bills will soon rise by another £120 a year in green levies to subsidise the expansion of renewable capacity. Labour politicians must have known at the time that the promised cut was mission impossible.

The extra £1 billion for offshore wind Starmer is so proud of is a mere drop in the North Sea compared to what is required to meet Labour's target of decarbonising the electricity system by 2030. Tens of billions more will be required in wind turbines and solar panels – and tens of billions more on top of that to build pylons and cables for a national grid which will need to be reconfigured to carry renewables, which are intermittent and unreliable.

The consumer – households and business – will bear the cost. The UK already has some of the highest electricity prices in the developed world to finance subsidies for renewable energy. They are about to get higher. This week the Beatrice Offshore Wind Farm in the Moray Firth became the fourth UK wind farm to collect more than £1 billion in subsidies. It will rake in about £2 billion in the course of its 15-year lifespan.

The Office for Budget Responsibility calculates that subsidies for renewables will add £12 billion to fuel bills for this year alone – and that's before we include future renewable subsidies and the £100 billion needed to upgrade the national grid for decarbonisation. No wonder industry is either closing down or fleeing to America, where energy prices are a fraction of Britain's.

 

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

 

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[DangerousSausage]

1 hour ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

 

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This is what I mean by dishonest cherry-picking. Day-ahead prices vary widely even within a single day. This makes it very easy to find a chart that fits your agenda. On 29 September this year, day-ahead electricity prices in the UK ranged from €55 to €139 per MWh (source), nowhere near the €200+ shown on that chart. The prices were at the level shown only briefly on 29 September 2023 and for nearly all of 29 September 2022, so that chart is at least a year old, more likely two given the heading. If wholesale prices are falling year-on-year, this also doesn't support the claim that prices are spiking.

There's nothing wrong with the graph itself. However, the spike in prices happened in 2022, which we all know had nothing to do with renewables. It is also missing the crucial context that it shows a brief snapshot within a single day probably two years ago.

I'm not going to address the claims by known climate change denier Andrew Neil, but it's telling that the voices telling us that climate change is a conspiracy and we should just belch loads of CO2 into the atmosphere like there's no tomorrow are idealogues and/or are mysteriously funded, Tufton Street-based organisations with their strings pulled by the fossil fuel industry.

I'm bowing out of this now before someone quotes Donald Trump or somebody. But here's one last thought: there is loads and loads of information on this topic, from impartial sources that tell you where their data is from. Why rely on the Daily Mail to tell you what to think?

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Without refering to anyone for or against net zero just look at this photograph of the footings of just ONE wind turbine.

Look at all the amount of steel that is needed just to keep the wind turbine secure and stable, & concrete is added too.

These wind turbines are bird killers & just look at the environmental vandalism for just ONE wind turbine. 

The steel will have to be imported too. Guess what, cheap Chinese steel no doubt, produced by coal fired blast furnaces & power stations.

Can you see the CON in front of you? How long will it take for just one wind turbine to pay for itself.

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

10 hours ago, DangerousSausage said:

This is what I mean by dishonest cherry-picking. Day-ahead prices vary widely even within a single day. This makes it very easy to find a chart that fits your agenda. On 29 September this year, day-ahead electricity prices in the UK ranged from €55 to €139 per MWh (source), nowhere near the €200+ shown on that chart. The prices were at the level shown only briefly on 29 September 2023 and for nearly all of 29 September 2022, so that chart is at least a year old, more likely two given the heading. If wholesale prices are falling year-on-year, this also doesn't support the claim that prices are spiking.

There's nothing wrong with the graph itself. However, the spike in prices happened in 2022, which we all know had nothing to do with renewables. It is also missing the crucial context that it shows a brief snapshot within a single day probably two years ago.

I'm not going to address the claims by known climate change denier Andrew Neil, but it's telling that the voices telling us that climate change is a conspiracy and we should just belch loads of CO2 into the atmosphere like there's no tomorrow are idealogues and/or are mysteriously funded, Tufton Street-based organisations with their strings pulled by the fossil fuel industry.

I'm bowing out of this now before someone quotes Donald Trump or somebody. But here's one last thought: there is loads and loads of information on this topic, from impartial sources that tell you where their data is from. Why rely on the Daily Mail to tell you what to think?

I think you missed the sarcasm bit but ok.

 

You can boil this down to a very basic argument. If the renewable energy sources were as cost effective and reliable as the more traditional sources, every country in the world would be clambering over eachother to implement it. This includes left and right, it's basic economics at the core.

Why aren't they? Why do they have to be convinced and persuaded to even pay lip service to it? It's either because they're deluded morons that want to destroy the Earth -  OR - it's because the renewable sources aren't as economically viable as you're conveying.

 

I'm willing to bet it's the latter. I don't care if you believe in climate change or not - or more importantly as to what extent you believe humans are responsible for it, to be honest this isn't my area of interest nor something I've studied at length - but you do not destroy your economy to virtue signal when the rest of the world isn't doing the same. It's madness.

You invest in the people and fund research, scientific advancement, engineering... To get you technologically to the point where net zero is not only economically prudent, it's financially profitable. That is capitalism.