The Race To Net Zero.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Carbon capture, usage, and storage (CCUS): The government is providing £3.9 billion in 2025/26 for CCUS projects to decarbonize industry. (Source Google)

But the government have taken away £1.4billion to help pensioners pay their winter fuel bill as well as having to pay the green levy on their bills.

Absolutely shocking.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

I agree @Robbie that carbon capture is an unproven technology

Quoting Andrew Montford, one of the Net Zero Watch cabal doesnt help your case

 

 

 

 

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

29 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

I agree @Robbie that carbon capture is an unproven technology

Quoting Andrew Montford, one of the Net Zero Watch cabal doesnt help your case

My case is watertight. I notice you are reluctant to mention our pensioners plight and the fact that pensioners go cold while this labour government splashes out money on their green policies.

Because it's very awkward subject for Labour isn't it.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

15 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Actually @Robbie I don't defend the withdrawal of winter fuel payments. I think it's morally wrong

You must have missed this Robbie

How about all the PPE fiasco for Tory chums, is Michelle Mone in prison yet? That could have saved the Winter Fuel Payments. But hey, look over there Net Zero Watch tactics in full flow.

Do you have a view on fracking?

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

7 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

You must have missed this Robbie

How about all the PPE fiasco for Tory chums, is Michelle Mone in prison yet? That could have saved the Winter Fuel Payments. But hey, look over there Net Zero Watch tactics in full flow.

Do you have a view on fracking?

Again, you never mentioned the pensioners, because there's no defence you can sensibly call upon. 

Just admit it. Labour was wrong to withdraw the winter fuel allowance for pensioners.

But I know you won't.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

1 hour ago, Piethagoram said:

Actually @Robbie I don't defend the withdrawal of winter fuel payments. I think it's morally wrong

How many times do I have to say it.

[Fozzy]

8 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

How many times do I have to say it.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

I don't think that the taking away of the winter fuel allowance for pensioners by this despicable Labour government @Fozzy is a laughing matter or deserves to be treated as a joke. But whatever.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

 

[Fozzy]

2 hours ago, Robbie said:

I don't think that the taking away of the winter fuel allowance for pensioners by this despicable Labour government @Fozzy is a laughing matter or deserves to be treated as a joke. But whatever.

The joke @Robbie is the fact that @Piethagoramhas said countless times on this board and thread that he is totally against Labour’s policy on removing the winter fuel payment, yet you keep beating him over the head with it every 5 minutes just because you know his political leanings are to the left (like the majority of his non football posts).

This government is destined to fail as it is full of student politicians and no business acumen within it, but that appears to be the way politics is heading at the moment. They will continue to make bad decisions (especially with the suicidal rush to Net Zero whilst the people suffer) but we have no choice but to suck it up for 5 years and then boot them out, probably to be replaced by another shower.

Oh, and the 22 billion pound black hole is a figment of Labour’s imagination, it was somewhere between 9 and 13 (still significant) Maybe if they scaled back the 40 billion a year spend on Net Zero and got there a few years later, less people in the country would be suffering.

 

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Appreciate  @Fozzy for your sensible post (I'm only centre-left leaning!)

I think the trade off ..in order to get cheaper electricity is the investment in wind farms and the like. British industry also needs cheaper electricity to compete. 

I am in favour of continuing gas production / exploration in the North Sea. What does get overlooked are the decommissioning costs of oil rigs... do the oil companies walk away from such? At least the EU, had a framework to ensure the legal / costs obligations of oil and gas co's fell on them, so they coudn't walk away.

Much talk on new pylon infrastructure across Norfolk and Suffolk. Blot on the landscape, maybe, but it is necessary.

Fracking in the UK is not the way to go, despite what Net Zero Watch propogandists have proposed in the past.

Reservoirs, for hydro electric is an interesting one, of which I am in favour.. When the Tory govt sold the water co's, the latter took the reservoirs too. No new reservoirs have been built since. UK population has expanded... yet we need new reservoirs, especially when the likes of York, Shrewsbury, Bewdley Hebden Bridge , et al get flooded time and again. 

More infrastructure costs built up for Labour to sort out as 14 years of Tories have done the proverbial sweet  .. . in those years

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Fozzy I agree with your last two paragraphs, & personally  would rather there not be political threads on PON, because there is plenty of social media where politics can be discussed.

As for net zero. I would be happy to see all subsidies to Green companies, such as those supplying heat pumps, electric cars & the green levy on bills abolished 

Let those green companies compete on the open market on a level playing field 

The tax payer shouldn't be subsidising the race to net zero.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

As far as North sea energy exploration is concerned, we need to explore for more Oil fields around the UK plus around the Orkney & Shetland Islands. Where there is Oil, there is gas too to be found.

There needs to be ways found to tap into the old mine workings. There are hundreds if not thousands of mine workings under the ground to tap the warm Mine water.

Pumping water from flooded mine workings underground and bringing it to the surface. This water is already warm because it has been heated by geothermal energy, that could be used for heating.

There are plenty of unworked coal underground that could still be worked for sale at home or abroad. That could mean new Coal Mines where the Coal is relatively cheap to extract. 

I also believe that the government should reopen the Fracking debate to tap into billions of cubic feet of gas still in the strater underground.

Safe ways can be found to extract it where there is very little population such as, for example, the Penines, Cumbria, Highlands of Scotland, & Bodmin Moor

There should also be a feasibility study about building hydro electric facilities in Scotland, Wales & Northern England.

Last but not least, is the building of small modular nuclear reactors around the Country to produce cheap electricity.

We do have to get away from blaming past governments for not doing this and that regarding UK energy.

It's the here and now & there needs to be a sensible debate about the future energy needs of this Country. Not based on idiology, but on the needs of the Country and it's people.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Why the Dutch are ditching gas extraction – Channel 4 News

WWW.CHANNEL4.COM

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While fracking has only just begun in this country, the Dutch are waving goodbye to years of riches from gas extraction. Why? Because they can no longer stand the social and economic cost of hundreds of small...

An essential watch, perhaps @Robbie we should begin around the Mansfield, Sutton in Ashfield area. I'm sure 30p Lee would vote it through 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

2 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

Why the Dutch are ditching gas extraction – Channel 4 News

WWW.CHANNEL4.COM

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While fracking has only just begun in this country, the Dutch are waving goodbye to years of riches from gas extraction. Why? Because they can no longer stand the social and economic cost of hundreds of small...

An essential watch, perhaps @Robbie we should begin around the Mansfield, Sutton in Ashfield area. I'm sure 30p Lee would vote it through 

Let's just settle for the Labour suggestion of tearing out your gas boiler and replacing it with a luke warm heat pump that costs thousands of pounds to buy, & hundreds of pounds a month to run in winter. That's Red Ed for you & this crazy Labour government.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Robbie So basically you just ignore the consequences of fracking...with a "look over there".... Part of my career has been in the oil and gas exploration industries, fracking is NOT the answer.  

Anyway, I dont think heat pumps are a particularly good idea. Solar panels, yes, a cheaper way to generate electricity.

Cheap jibes like "Red Ed" have no place, when we are discussing factual matters (though 30p Lee is acceptable)

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram said

"Anyway, I dont think heat pumps are a particularly good idea. Solar panels, yes, a cheaper way to generate electricity".

So you think some Labour policies are not a good idea.

Keep voting Labour will ensure these terrible policies may see the light of day.

In addition. Cancelling local elections, Two Tier justice. This is not a good look is it. 

I'd say to anyone who walks into a polling station, just think of the consequences before you vote Labour.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Robbie I'm not tied to any political party per se. I treat each individual policy on it's merits. Thought , this was a thread on Net Zero... 2 Tier justice, just a right leaning throwaway line, without any actual substance to it.

From BBC website : "Most economists judge that the costs of the UK failing to pursue net zero will ultimately be greater than the costs of achieving it. The OBR produced a scenario of “unmitigated global warming” in 2021 which showed UK public sector net debt rising to 300% of GDP by the end of the century due to economic shocks of a hotter climate."

I'm fed up of storms, becoming more frequent. Switching from fossil fuels is necessary

 

8 minutes ago, Robbie said:

In addition. Cancelling local elections, Two Tier justice. This is not a good look is it. 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

2 hours ago, Fozzy said:

Oh, and the 22 billion pound black hole is a figment of Labour’s imagination, it was somewhere between 9 and 13 (still significant)

Is Labour right to claim there’s a £22 billion ‘black hole’ in the public finances? - Full Fact

FULLFACT.ORG

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It’s been a key government claim since the election and featured heavily in the Budget - but what does it actually mean?

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram

Global warming. That would be for another debate thread. I just don't believe in man made global warming, like many other leading scientists who don't believe in it either.

The Earth weather goes in cycles over billions of years. It's just a natural phenomena. 

Back to Labour spending 

The OBR projects that the government will spend £100 billion a year on debt interest payments for each of the next five years of this government.

Yet Labour are going to lend an extra £36billion this year, but they go on about a £22billion black whole but at the same time commit the UK to paying £13.6billion a year in overseas aid, £3billion a year military aid for Ukraine & a further £3.5billion to fund green policies, yet can't afford £1.4b for Pensioners.

(All info via google)

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Robbie 

So all the COP conferences driven by the concern's of the world's top scientists are wrong? The Net Zero funded scientists are in a miniscule minority. 

London is so much cleaner with the ULEZ zones for a start.

The high interest rates on debt are in fact a legacy of Liz Truss's disastrous budget.

I'm not that knowledgeable to delve into the breakdown of the overseas aid budget. I'm sure it's one of the first to be examined for potential savings

Actually £3bn for Ukraine isn't enough. It needs more IMHO. Green energy investment produces cheaper energy, that's without question. It's needed for UK industry to compete with lower electricity costs.

BTW, what exactly is 2 tier justice?

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram Go to X and type in two tier justice. Plenty of answers on X

As for London being cleaner. Have you seen the rat infested garbage on the streets of some parts of London?