@ohstanleyaborah Could you explain why he is vile?

6 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

The online jury appears to have returned its verdict.

Two statements appear and the overall verdict is that Notts County FC and JF are lying to fans and Aborah is the innocent party.

The fans pay their money and keep the club going but I'm saddened at the reaction to this...that said , they choose who they believe and thats up to them

This has been brewing for a while and there are staff members who know the full story here but simply  JF can't win here as its plain that some folk just simply wont believe him regardless.

The club states that it was notified , in writing, after the Crawley game (20th Jan) of Stanleys intention and yet the manager is still telling lies?

If you want one positive then Aborah better play like Lionel Messi if and when he gets back in.....as he has become a better player as the weeks have gone on.

I respect everyones right to an opinion but cant help but feel there would have been a backlash on the manager as soon as the player said a word...and it happened 

This response makes you seem not so new to Notts bud.

I doubt we will see Stanley Aborah now, I think it's most likely he will be mutually released. I don't think he even expects to remain here, you don't do something like that without backlash and yes, Jamie can win but it means being open at all times. We expect this from the manager, as HE will expect it from the players. I'm sorry but I don't agree with much of the above - perhaps it's fair to say some fans are quick to form sides, yet the club would have naturally hoped for the same outcome for themselves.

@ohstanleyaborah Could you explain why he is vile?

We heard what he was like before he came and has now alienated Stanley, you still haven't answered my question as to why JF would put Stanley on the bench for his first two games if Stanley asked to leave...

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1 minute ago, notts-joe said:

This response makes you seem not so new to Notts bud.

I doubt we will see Stanley Aborah now, I think it's most likely he will be mutually released. I don't think he even expects to remain here, you don't do something like that without backlash and yes, Jamie can win but it means being open at all times. We expect this from the manager, as HE will expect it from the players. I'm sorry but I don't agree with much of the above - perhaps it's fair to say some fans are quick to form sides, yet the club would have naturally hoped for the same outcome for themselves.

I'm afraid the backlash to this means a point by which he may struggle to come back from... even in the medium term.

JF has tried to protect the player, the situation and the club and is being vilified for it and this shows, to me anyway,  that he can't win.

This is not blind loyalty but an informed opinion and to see the reaction today after Aborah's interview told me everything I needed to see.

I came on here as it is a very balanced forum but there has even been a disproportionate reaction about this issue towards JF.

I will still attend ML on Saturday to see the Bristol Rovers games on Saturday but my time on the forum may be coming to an end (good some will say !! ;o) )

I'm a pretty positive person but the backlash and name calling against a young manager ( and not all of it justified ) has been quite uncomfortable to see..to be called Vile, a Moron, Horrible, a Liar, Nasty when he is trying to move a club forward as a young manager isn't nice to read.

I wholeheartedly disagree that Aborah is not at fault here but respect that people make up their own minds about it all.

Not a great week for Notts but I would request that folk reading this consider why a new manager would exclude a player he sees as, and I quote  'Quality with Ability' ....Please...if nothing else...have a think about that .........

 

17 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

The online jury appears to have returned its verdict.

Two statements appear and the overall verdict is that Notts County FC and JF are lying to fans and Aborah is the innocent party.

The fans pay their money and keep the club going but I'm saddened at the reaction to this...that said , they choose who they believe and thats up to them

This has been brewing for a while and there are staff members who know the full story here but simply  JF can't win here as its plain that some folk just simply wont believe him regardless.

The club states that it was notified , in writing, after the Crawley game (20th Jan) of Stanleys intention and yet the manager is still telling lies?

If you want one positive then Aborah better play like Lionel Messi if and when he gets back in.....as he has become a better player as the weeks have gone on.

I respect everyones right to an opinion but cant help but feel there would have been a backlash on the manager as soon as the player said a word...and it happened 

 

 

1: Not just the online jury.

2: Which Staff? The only ones that will give any credibility IMO are Steady Eddy and Pilks. 

3: 20th Jan is 10 days, not 2 as stated by JF. Aborah already said he asked to leave after a couple of games because the manager isolated him and made it clear he wouldn't be starting.

4: Aborah is a good player, probably our player of the season so far. You don't go from that to training with the youth team.

5: It happened because of more than that reason. For one, his tactics are negative and boring, to say the least. His interviews are terrible, he is disrespectful, arrogant and condescending. He has a reputation (you say it's rumours) of bad relations with previous players he has 'coached', and within a few weeks he has done exactly that with a player at Notts.

 

1 minute ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

1: Not just the online jury.

2: Which Staff? The only ones that will give any credibility IMO are Steady Eddy and Pilks. 

3: 20th Jan is 10 days, not 2 as stated by JF. Aborah already said he asked to leave after a couple of games because the manager isolated him and made it clear he wouldn't be starting.

4: Aborah is a good player, probably our player of the season so far. You don't go from that to training with the youth team.

5: It happened because of more than that reason. For one, his tactics are negative and boring, to say the least. His interviews are terrible, he is disrespectful, arrogant and condescending. He has a reputation (you say it's rumours) of bad relations with previous players he has 'coached', and within a few weeks he has done exactly that with a player at Notts.

 

20th Jan was the written response according to the statement ...JF said Stanley told him in person after two days 

1 minute ago, NewNottsFan said:

20th Jan was the written response according to the statement ...JF said Stanley told him in person after two days 

Naturally you are going to believe JF as you have some kind of personal affiliation with him or his friends, or his cat...

However, you should understand that fans won't believe a word JF has to say. He wasn't wanted in the beginning, he's made that worse ever since through his actions and words. 

1 minute ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said: 1: Not just the online jury.

2: Which Staff? The only ones that will give any credibility IMO are Steady Eddy and Pilks. 

3: 20th Jan is 10 days, not 2 as stated by JF. Aborah already said he asked to leave after a couple of games because the manager isolated him and made it clear he wouldn't be starting.

4: Aborah is a good player, probably our player of the season so far. You don't go from that to training with the youth team.

5: It happened because of more than that reason. For one, his tactics are negative and boring, to say the least. His interviews are terrible, he is disrespectful, arrogant and condescending. He has a reputation (you say it's rumours) of bad relations with previous players he has 'coached', and within a few weeks he has done exactly that with a player at Notts.

 

20th Jan was the written response according to the statement ...JF said Stanley told him in person after two days 

I have no problem with you but you asked me why he is vile and I've answered but I've continuity asked why Stanley was on the bench twice after allegedly asking to leave 2 days in ?

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1 minute ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

Naturally you are going to believe JF as you have some kind of personal affiliation with him or his friends, or his cat...

However, you should understand that fans won't believe a word JF has to say. He wasn't wanted in the beginning, he's made that worse ever since through his actions and words. 

Exactly the point I made above ;o) some fans wouldn't believe him regardless

Why believe the manager when its much easier not to? Why believe a guy who says a players loyalty should be to the club and assume that he is just telling lies?

 

 

1 minute ago, NewNottsFan said:

Exactly the point I made above ;o) some fans wouldn't believe him regardless

Why believe the manager when its much easier not to? Why believe a guy who says a players loyalty should be to the club and assume that he is just telling lies?

 

 

Because everything he says is arrogant, cliché ridden, mind-numbingly boring drivel? Plus, he's changing his story, and it doesn't make sense. Will only play for Moniz = played for other managers besides Moniz.

The other side is a fairly well respected player who has towed the same line, he wants to play, the manager doesn't like him.

That is why. 

3 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

I came on here as it is a very balanced forum but there has even been a disproportionate reaction about this issue towards JF.

I will still attend ML on Saturday to see the Bristol Rovers games on Saturday but my time on the forum may be coming to an end (good some will say !! ;o) )

I'm a pretty positive person but the backlash and name calling against a young manager ( and not all of it justified ) has been quite uncomfortable to see..to be called Vile, a Moron, Horrible, a Liar, Nasty when he is trying to move a club forward as a young manager isn't nice to read.

I wholeheartedly disagree that Aborah is not at fault here but respect that people make up their own minds about it all.

Not a great week for Notts but I would request that folk reading this consider why a new manager would exclude a player he sees as, and I quote  'Quality with Ability' ....Please...if nothing else...have a think about that .........

 

You have offered a different view on things, there's nothing wrong with that.

I believe JF always had a tough time winning over the majority, some like me are inclined to see how he goes. I'm not against him in any manner, I just don't find him very likeable - he had the chance to be clear, he should have been.

How many members have called him these names? I only have seen a handful based on opinions.

Your entitled to your view, you make this clear and I'm sure people respect it. Does anyone want you to leave? I don't think but it's your choice if you do. It would nice to think your not just Jamie Fullarton but also Notts. Yet I would understand if this wasn't the case, yet just to mention I find the majority of posts by you to be interesting. As SDA says, 10 days and not 2. There is chance Aborah may be somewhat in the wrong, but JF isn't winning awards for his media handling. I hope he can finally can win at home but I fear, it may not happen until he tries to connect with fans. The club could help!

3 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

I came on here as it is a very balanced forum but there has even been a disproportionate reaction about this issue towards JF.

I will still attend ML on Saturday to see the Bristol Rovers games on Saturday but my time on the forum may be coming to an end (good some will say !! ;o) )

I'm a pretty positive person but the backlash and name calling against a young manager ( and not all of it justified ) has been quite uncomfortable to see..to be called Vile, a Moron, Horrible, a Liar, Nasty when he is trying to move a club forward as a young manager isn't nice to read.

I wholeheartedly disagree that Aborah is not at fault here but respect that people make up their own minds about it all.

Not a great week for Notts but I would request that folk reading this consider why a new manager would exclude a player he sees as, and I quote  'Quality with Ability' ....Please...if nothing else...have a think about that .........

 

You have offered a different view on things, there's nothing wrong with that.

I believe JF always had a tough time winning over the majority, some like me are inclined to see how he goes. I'm not against him in any manner, I just don't find him very likeable - he had the chance to be clear, he should have been.

How many members have called him these names? I only have seen a handful based on opinions.

Your entitled to your view, you make this clear and I'm sure people respect it. Does anyone want you to leave? I don't think but it's your choice if you do. It would nice to think your not just Jamie Fullarton but also Notts. Yet I would understand if this wasn't the case, yet just to mention I find the majority of posts by you to be interesting. As SDA says, 10 days and not 2. There is chance Aborah may be somewhat in the wrong, but JF isn't winning awards for his media handling. I hope he can finally can win at home but I fear, it may not happen until he tries to connect with fans. The club could help!

I apologise for calling him vile, this club is a mess and he really ticked me off, many will know me to be optimistic but Stanley's interview pushed me over the edge.

I for one don't want @newnottsfan to leave as he offers a different opinion on things and I feel many value his opinion even if they don't agree with it

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Also don't want @NewNottsFan to leave, however I feel you may as soon as JF is relieved of his duties. It seems to me you are a JF fan, and only a Notts fan whilst JF remains at the club. Am I right? 

@Super_Danny_Allsopp    @notts-joe I'm not just interested in JF and the more I know and learn about Notts , the more I see what a great club it is ...but the whole surroundings of this appointment and reactions , particularly around this issue, are quite depressing. I look forward to Saturday but feel that the manager may need a suit of armour on and that can't be good.

Its just really a huge feeling of sadness today and I genuinely feel that Aborah has let him down and now , bizarrely, is coming out smelling of roses...but thats the way things have gone for JF.

I've never defended performances and have stated he would benefit from media guidance but he's had a hell of a lot to deal with, some of which he is dong for the first time (media), in a very short space of time at Notts...much more than most managers get in much longer careers.

So to answer your question..will I still follow Notts? definitely ...but will I be gutted if this all ends without both sides progressing and getting some positivity from it?  absolutely

2 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

@Super_Danny_Allsopp    @notts-joe I'm not just interested in JF and the more I know and learn about Notts , the more I see what a great club it is ...but the whole surroundings of this appointment and reactions , particularly around this issue, are quite depressing. I look forward to Saturday but feel that the manager may need a suit of armour on and that can't be good.

Its just really a huge feeling of sadness today and I genuinely feel that Aborah has let him down and now , bizarrely, is coming out smelling of roses...but thats the way things have gone for JF.

I've never defended performances and have stated he would benefit from media guidance but he's had a hell of a lot to deal with, some of which he is dong for the first time (media), in a very short space of time at Notts...much more than most managers get in much longer careers.

So to answer your question..will I still follow Notts? definitely ...but will I be gutted if this all ends without both sides progressing and getting some positivity from it?  absolutely

I agree that he walked into a complete nightmare for a first manager. That was out of his control. 

Good to see you will still follow Notts after JF. Unfortunately, the only way I can see this situation improving is by NCFC and JF parting ways.