BREXIT.....

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Worth recalling this speech in Parliament by Hilary Benn:

"The hon. Member for Gravesham (Adam Holloway) made the point about sovereignty. I met many people during the campaign who made that argument. Indeed, they said, “I don’t care about the economic impact. My sovereignty is more important.” I respect people’s right to hold that view; I fundamentally disagree with it. But what was unforgiveable was to claim that we could have all our sovereignty, keep all the benefits of being a member of the European Union and get further benefits on top of that. It simply was not true, and we now know it was not true. Therefore, those who argued for us to leave the European Union are now in a state of confusion and denial. That is what is going on, particularly around the economic consequences. If we do not understand what those are, how on earth are we going to build a different relationship with our European colleagues over the months and years ahead?

It is interesting that a number of hon. Members present have been on the UK Trade and Business Commission, reference to which has already been made, and I have had the pleasure of serving with them. We felt it was important to ask the question and then let the evidence speak for itself. If people want to come before the commission and say, “It’s wonderful—look at these opportunities”, I would love to hear from them. Not many have done that.

The truth is that Brexit has had a bad impact on the economy. I was really struck by the statistic that showed that the number of small businesses trading goods with the European Union declined by one third between 2020 and 2021. That is not entirely surprising, because it is small businesses that find it most difficult to cope with the burden of cost, bureaucracy and red tape. Brexit was sold as getting rid of cost, bureaucracy and red tape, but it has dumped the biggest load of those three things on British businesses that we have seen in our lifetime.

We will be the worst-performing large economy in the world this year, and business investment as a percentage of GDP has stalled since the referendum in the UK. It is worth reminding ourselves that the Office for Budget Responsibility said that Brexit

“will result in the UK’s trade intensity being 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU. The latest evidence suggests that Brexit has had a significant adverse impact on UK trade, via reducing both overall trade volumes and the number of trading relationships between UK and EU firms”

Ironically, while all these costs have been imposed on British companies exporting, the Government have not yet introduced full checks on goods coming into the United Kingdom from the European Union. Why? 

 

Because they are afraid of shortages and delays. So the sovereignty that has been gained is not being used to apply the same checks going one way as we are facing the other way.

The trade deals have been referred to. I was struck when the former Environment Secretary, the right hon. Member for Camborne and Redruth (George Eustice), described the Australia agreement as being

“not actually a very good deal”—[Official Report, 14 November 2022; Vol. 722, c. 424.]

because we had given far too much away. We all know that is the case. What of the promised trade deal with the United States of America, which was the biggest argument we heard? It is absolutely nowhere to be seen. It is not happening; it is not coming. The fundamental truth is that if we make trade with our biggest trading partner more difficult—that is what we have done—we should not be surprised if it has an adverse effect on the British economy, at a time when we need all the growth we can get to help our constituents.

We have heard about employers finding it hard to get workers. When the commission met people at a fruit farm in Kent, I was struck when the owner said, “Last year, I couldn’t pick 8% of my crop because I couldn’t find enough workers. Do you know what I am doing this year? I am planting less crop and I am going to import more fruit from the rest of the world.” What a wonderful advert for British economic growth if that is the conclusion that farmer came to!

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

 

1 hour ago, Robbie said:

 

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

55 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

 

 

Always negativity from Remoaners.

They always put the UK down, rather than the EU that has always put the UK down.

Remoaner predictability on show once again.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

So this is another warped Labour plan for Brexit UK.

We don't want another tier of decision making.

Sue Gray announces citizen juries that will bypass Whitehall

Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff says new measures will allow public consultation on matters such as constitutional reform, devolution and housebuilding.

Labour is drawing up plans to bypass Whitehall by using “citizens’ assemblies” to make key decisions, Sue Gray, the chief of staff to Sir Keir Starmer, has ­announced.

Gray, who is in charge of the party’s preparations for government, said in her first interview in the role that plans were being worked on to involve the public directly in deciding contentious issues such as constitutional reform, devolution and where new houses should be built.

She cited the “transformational” success of citizens’ juries in Ireland that had built consensus for constitutional changes including ending the ban on abortion and allowing gay marriage. But she acknowledged that the plans were likely to face resistance from her former civil service colleagues, saying: “Whitehall will not like this because they have no control.” "

(Quoted from the Times).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e923e7e9-01cc-4780-99fe-5f0716369afd?shareToken=9acc07eadbfff207e004c2ceb3e058a4

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

33 minutes ago, Robbie said:

So this is another warped Labour plan for Brexit UK.

We don't want another tier of decision making.

Sue Gray announces citizen juries that will bypass Whitehall

Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff says new measures will allow public consultation on matters such as constitutional reform, devolution and housebuilding.

Labour is drawing up plans to bypass Whitehall by using “citizens’ assemblies” to make key decisions, Sue Gray, the chief of staff to Sir Keir Starmer, has ­announced.

Gray, who is in charge of the party’s preparations for government, said in her first interview in the role that plans were being worked on to involve the public directly in deciding contentious issues such as constitutional reform, devolution and where new houses should be built.

She cited the “transformational” success of citizens’ juries in Ireland that had built consensus for constitutional changes including ending the ban on abortion and allowing gay marriage. But she acknowledged that the plans were likely to face resistance from her former civil service colleagues, saying: “Whitehall will not like this because they have no control.” "

(Quoted from the Times).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e923e7e9-01cc-4780-99fe-5f0716369afd?shareToken=9acc07eadbfff207e004c2ceb3e058a4

Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit @Robbie. I thought you liked UK sovereignty though... 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

43 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

Absolutely nothing to do with Brexit @Robbie. I thought you liked UK sovereignty though... 

@Piethagoram If it's a decision by liberal progressive Remoaner Labour then it has everything to do with Brexit UK.

And we know that Labour will pack these peoples assemblies with people who will agree with Labour, so it will be no more than a rubber stamping exercise.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Robbie Again, it's nowt to do with Brexit. Certainly worth a try as nothing from the top level of govt is working. We are the laughing stock of the world, can't build HS2 in full, crumbling schools and hospitals, over crowded prisons and slashing govt funding for councils, so less policing etc

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

12 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

@Robbie Again, it's nowt to do with Brexit. Certainly worth a try as nothing from the top level of govt is working. We are the laughing stock of the world, can't build HS2 in full, crumbling schools and hospitals, over crowded prisons and slashing govt funding for councils, so less policing etc

That's your opinion @Piethagoram

My opinion is that politics in this Country is ruled by Brexit. Politicians are either for or against the Brexit project. There is nothing in between.

Labour owe their allegiance to the EU, so do the Libdems, Green Party, and half the Tory Party too.

They have never respected the democratic wish of the British people to leave.

The Tory government has only shown half-heartedness in wanting to exploit Brexit fully.

They will all want to undo Brexit in their own way, and Sunak's way is by a thousand cuts. A little bit here and a little bit there, Joining Horizon is just an example of this.

Labour's undoing of Brexit will be a lot more swifter than that.

Labour will probably prepare to get the UK back into the SM/CU as an Associate Member to begin with.

THis may or may not happen in their first 5 years of a Labour government, but will definitely happen if they are elected for a 2nd term.

I don't think we would rejoin the EU as before, but we will be closely aligned to it, which will basically mean that we will be back in the EU straitjacket once again.

I just believe it would be very sad if that happened.

 

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

22 minutes ago, Robbie said:

They have never respected the democratic wish of the British people to leave.

The Tory government has only shown half-heartedness in wanting to exploit Brexit fully.

@Robbie A referendum only won on lies, as my postings have evidenced

So what do you mean "exploit Brexit fully"? 

You never have any answers to my questions as to how the average guy in the street is being harmed? The poorest people will be suffering with increasing food and utility prices despite being promised cheaper post Brexit.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

51 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

@Robbie A referendum only won on lies, as my postings have evidenced

So what do you mean "exploit Brexit fully"? 

You never have any answers to my questions as to how the average guy in the street is being harmed? The poorest people will be suffering with increasing food and utility prices despite being promised cheaper post Brexit.

@Piethagoram Lies? That's your opinion. I totally disagree with you on Brexit.

And the less well off will suffer under a future Labour government  that will welcome in record numbers of immigrants, who will put pressure on our NHS, Schools, Dentists and social security.

I'm going to continue to post positive Brexit news stories and continue to warn people about voting for your precious Labour Party 

If you don't like it. So be it.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

People like myself voted for Brexit wanted immigration drastically reduced. It has not happened.

Another example of the Tories not implementing Immigration controls that the Brexiteers voted for.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

More good news stories for Brexit UK.

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Meanwhile, UK hill farmers are suffering because of Brexit...

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

10 hours ago, Robbie said:

People like myself voted for Brexit wanted immigration drastically reduced. It has not happened.

Another example of the Tories not implementing Immigration controls that the Brexiteers voted for.

 

Just think @Robbie all of the illegal immigrants that could have been repatriated immediately under the Dublin Convention to the country that they first entered the EU. Had we still been part of the EU!

That would have saved the best part of £24 billion... but hey, this is what YOU voted for. £24 billion that could have gone to Doctors, nurses, the NHS, fixing RAAC in schools and hospitals... 

Secondly, all the Hong Kong immigrants coming to the UK, probably allowable by the govt that think they will always vote Tory.

Gerrymandering elections big time

10 hours ago, Robbie said:

 

End of winter, so rules of supply and demand, means prices will inevitably drop. Nowt to do with Brexit again. So where is the VAT cut Boris and his Vote Leave cronies promised. No where to be seen. You were lied to @Robbie

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

19 hours ago, Robbie said:

@Piethagoram Lies? That's your opinion. I totally disagree with you on Brexit.

And the less well off will suffer under a future Labour government  that will welcome in record numbers of immigrants, who will put pressure on our NHS, Schools, Dentists and social security.

I'm going to continue to post positive Brexit news stories and continue to warn people about voting for your precious Labour Party 

If you don't like it. So be it.

 

Your displaying your true colours now 

"And the less well off will suffer under a future Labour government  that will welcome in record numbers of immigrants, who will put pressure on our NHS, Schools, Dentists and social security."

So basically you are saying that the upcoming food price rises are an acceptable consequence of Brexit, driving more people to use foodbanks! How callous can you be wishing that on them, when you don't offer any practical solutions

"welcome in record numbers of immigrants"...we have this NOW under a Tory government. Points based system.... yeah, and we are still crying out for doctors nurses dentists  social care workers..... you have been gaslit @Robbie

PS Tory govt removed under Brexit ...mutual respect for EU qualifications...how's that of benefit to the UK?

Edited February 20 by Chris
Opening part reads too personal for my liking, I have kept it in tact but please avoid comments which are not necessary.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

8 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Your displaying your true colours now 

"And the less well off will suffer under a future Labour government  that will welcome in record numbers of immigrants, who will put pressure on our NHS, Schools, Dentists and social security."

So basically you are saying that the upcoming food price rises are an acceptable consequence of Brexit, driving more people to use foodbanks! How callous can you be wishing that on them, when you don't offer any practical solutions

"welcome in record numbers of immigrants"...we have this NOW under a Tory government. Points based system.... yeah, and we are still crying out for doctors nurses dentists  social care workers..... you have been gaslit @Robbie

PS Tory govt removed under Brexit ...mutual respect for EU qualifications...how's that of benefit to the UK?

-Edited-

 

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Edited February 20 by Chris
This came across too personal, please try to avoid this in the future. Debating can be healthy but both sides need to respect the other.

[liampie]

its not worth falling out over, please can you both just agree to disagree. its not worth it. you are both such great members of the site, you both have your stances and its good to see people discussing things but that is where it needs to stay. lets not get things out of hand so that everyone can continue sharing information and talking about brexit but without the ill feelings towards each other.

please we are notts fans.  

[super_ram]

5 minutes ago, liampie said:

its not worth falling out over, please can you both just agree to disagree. its not worth it. you are both such great members of the site, you both have your stances and its good to see people discussing things but that is where it needs to stay. lets not get things out of hand so that everyone can continue sharing information and talking about brexit but without the ill feelings towards each other.

please we are notts fans.  

Hear,hear @liampie,blooming politics.Just shake hands, agree to disagree and move on or change the subject.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Let's put away the myth that the EU is a free trade block, it is not.

It is primarily a protectionist block.

Polish Farmers, spilling Ukrainian grain just because Ukrainian grain is cheaper than their own grain.