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  1. A short while ago I wrote an article about Notts County's 150 year existance, which I will link to at the bottom of this article for any readers to catch up on (if you choose to do so). Here is the second in the series of posts, where I've tried to describe the development of 'football'. Of course there are other codes of 'football' that grew out of 'mob football' in the mid/late 19th century. I've concentrated on the growth of football as we now know it in England, I hope you all find it interesting and any comments are again most welcome, so please get posting. In 1857 Sheffield FC was formed by members of Sheffield Cricket Club as a way of keeping fit during the winter months, so becoming the worlds oldest club playing Association football. (Notts now being a professional league side) They began just playing games between club members and in 1858 laid down the rules by which they would play, these became known as The Sheffield Rules. Hallam FC was formed in 1860 and soon there were at least 15 teams playing in the Sheffield area. Now inter club games were being organised and it became necessary to have a governing body to administrate these clubs. Thus in 1867 The Sheffield F.A. was created, becoming the first county association in England. Sheffield FC v Hallam FC is the oldest derby match still being played. Sheffield FC played an eighteen a side game in Nottingham under Nottingham rules on the 2nd of January 1865, their first game outside the Sheffield area. Football was also developing all over the country particularly in the London area and in public schools, however when inter-team matches were arranged there was a good deal of confusion regarding rules of play, One way round this was to play one half of a game using one teams rules and then use the other teams rules for the second half. This was obviously unsatisfactory. Also when pupils moved from school to university there was confusion about the rules of play. So in 1848 a compromise set of rules was formulated. These became known as The Cambridge Rules and were revised in1856.The rules included throw ins, goal kicks, forward passing and no running while carrying the ball. In 1862 Ebeneezer Cobb Morley founded Barnes FC (London) and being concerned about disputes over rules wrote a letter in 1863 to the Bell's Life newspaper suggesting that an association similar to the MCC in cricket be formed to decide set rules and govern football. So on the 26th of October 1863 a meeting was arranged at The Freemasons Tavern, Great Queens Street, London,with representative of several public schools and interested parties in attendance. Over a series of 6 meetings rules were drawn up by Mr. Morley using the Cambridge rules as a basis but also incorporating some of The Sheffield rules and others and favouring dribbling and kicking the ball rather than handling and running whilst holding the ball. As a result of the handling and other rules being removed the representative of Blackheath withdrew his team from the FA. Several other clubs soon followed suit and later in 1871 formed The Rugby Football Union. So now we have Rugby football and Association football or 'Soccer', a corruption of association. Sheffield FC joined the FA in November 1863 but continued to use their own rules until 1878 when the FA incorporated some further Sheffield rules. The game of football (Soccer) was now becoming recognizable as the game we know today but there was still quite a way to go. To be continued soon. Discuss the Series - Super Rams Articles in the Community. Previous Article | Notts County - 1862
  2. Lovely ,lovely,lovely! Thanks , Joe , for another superb ,entertaining and informative write up. I can understand why 'our Tony' rates him so highly. A true Notts legend.
  3. Thanks for bringing me up ta date with your post, Joe.I was listening to the Rams losing at Blackburn but I know I can rely on you to give an accurate, unbiased report.You've not let me down. Thanks again.
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    A day like no other

    It sounds like everyone had a really memorable time.I know you and Jake certainly did. Amazing, (to borrow your word) the bonds of friendship that come about through football. I wish the press/media would publicise this kind of event more.
  5. Glad you enjoyed the article , weymouthPIE .I , myself , have learnt a lot just by reading the posts on this site .A lot of the posts make fascinating reading .
  6. Sincere thanks to all for your kind comments I hope you all payed attention, particularly you, Mr. Hateley, I may be asking questions later.
  7. I'm not fishing but do understand a bit more how you feel when you get a bit down about the site. I'm also getting a good feeling with the responses so far. Roller coaster ride. I'm up at the moment. And of course your opinion is always valued.(though not always agreed with) It's usually me encouraging you and the reversal is much appreciated.
  8. I am actually quite nervous waiting for a response, any response, apart from yours, Joe. I would have liked to give a more detailed write up but we can probably enlarge as members respond(if they do)
  9. I have now written a brief introductory article about football up to the time of Notts formation in 1862 and will continue with more:-i.e. The formation of the F.A. and Football League and come up to date with, hopefully, interesting and informative articles. I enjoy reading about the history, players, and ups and downs of other clubs. I hope other site member do also and will add their own comments to give us all a better insight into football's rich history. Notts-Joe has asked me to write up about the history of football, not just relating to Notts County. On 28th of November 2012 Notts County celebrated 150 years of existance. Notts formation came about 50 years before The Titanic sank, 26 years before Jack the Ripper found notoriety. Across the Atlantic the American Civil war was being fought(1862-1865), Here in England, in the middle of Queen Victoria's reign, great things were happening.The lives of people in England were soon to be changed and then the whole world. The phenomenon we call Football was about to explode. Football was much different back in Dickensian Britain. Games involving ball like objects have been played for centuries. Football evolved as Mob Football and in the Middle ages every town or village would play it's own version, usually on public holidays. A good but watered down example of this is still played in Ashbourne each Shrove Tuesday and Ash Wednesday. There were no set rules and often resulted in injury and damage to property. Many Kings have tried to prohibit football over the centuries, for various reasons, but football in some form would not go away. The industrial revolution in the 1700's brought about improved methods of manufacture and production It also helped change Britain from a rural to an urban country with rapid growth of populations in cities and towns particularly in Lancashire, Yorkshire and The Midlands. The workers were now being employed in large factories instead of their own homes and it's not too difficult to imagine impromptu games taking place after work. Public schools also had developed differing styles of ball games. These were often more like Rugby with a mixture of kicking and throwing and encouraged as character building. The first signs of teams being formed were beginning to be seen and with the coming of the railways by the mid 1800's, cheaper public transport was available.Another revolution was about to take place and NOTTS COUNTY would be at the forefront. To be continued - Discuss Super Rams Series in the Community.
  10. Too many fans are fickle -not on here ,thankfully. There are a lot of experts who seem to know everything about everything but if you asked them to put their hands in their pockets like Ray Trew ( and others in football) they start making excuses and shifting the blame.Every fan wants to see their team winning things or at least having a good go at winning things.We can't all be winners ,there has to be losers too.The fair weather supporters are often the loudest moaners.
  11. Your illness hasn't affected your writing. Once again a lovely, iinformative, easily read account.Thanks once more and I hope you're feeling better very soon.
  12. super_ram

    PoN on One - #3

    It's all good fun, folks and we may all learn something, I have.
  13. This is a brilliant opposition view,never mind that it's by a 16 year old. Max ,take a pat on the back and all the best with your studies.
  14. super_ram

    PoN on One - #3

    I didn't know who would be participating when Joe asked me to set the questions again and had a little laugh when he told me. Well done Magpiejul, very knowledgeable. Hard luck Tony,. still a legend in my eyes too. Thanks to you both for taking part and I hope other members have enjoyed this feature.
  15. Good report again,thanks Joe.The pitch coming in for a bit of criticism.So now the season just winds down.
  16. Good write up again JJ,once again thanks.Feel sorry for Bart who has been your hero so often this season,especially after the worrying time he's had this week with his daughter. I agree with NottsJoe.,Now a top 6 place has virtually disappeared why not give the untried young players a chance.The experience gained will be beneficial next season and help CK as he prepares for the next campaign.
  17. Cheers Joe,Just as I heard it,If Notts had won a few more at home this would have been seen as a brilliant result.
  18. A proven, experienced manager does not guarantee success.I've said previously how impressed I've been with Ck's interviews and now the uncertainty is over I hope this transfers into results.It's going to be a sharp learning curve(top 6 is still a possibility) with the number of higher placed teams to play.These next matches will give a better indication as to where Notts are going,.I wish CK and Notts all the best
  19. Another well written,informative and interesting article.Thanks Joe-keep'em coming.
  20. Another excellent article,I really enjoyed this one.Thanks Mickey.Unfortunately I never saw our ex-boss play but I did meet him,sort of.Take a look at the Cloughie article*(English Leagues Forum) on this site for more.His son, Nigel, is our manager,though his character is much quieter.
  21. Keep it up son, good post,well done. Your efforts ARE noticed and appreciated as evident by above 2 posts and probably by a lot more besides.
  22. Joe -from memory -Lou Macari played for Man U and Scotland,in the 90,s I think-Lively player
  23. super_ram

    PoN on One - #2

    Bad luck Daz,a very good effort though-(a reds fan who likes All local teams?) Muddy -Excellent and spot on with the added information. Very well done to both contestants.
  24. I wish I had met Jimmy Sirrel.He is one of my all time heroes, up there with Cloughie.
  25. I agree Liam,the next few months will be very interesting and not just for Notts!!

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