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The recent wins against Shrewsbury, Tranmere and Fleetwood have given us all a lift, so it might seem a strange time to be focusing on the discontent of fans, but that’s what I intend to do in this short opinion piece. We don’t always see eye to eye with our fellow supporters but I believe most Notts fans would agree on two things. Firstly, that for the players and new coaching team it has been an uncertain start to the season, and secondly that the mood of the fans is noticeably different this season. It seems to me that, despite the wins, we are generally less confident of success, and more impatient to see improvements than we have been at any time since the end of the Alan Hardy era. Also, there appears to be a hardening of the attitudes of many supporters towards our owners Christoffer and Alexander Reedtz. For the first time since they bought the club in 2019, they are becoming targets.

There is nothing new about football club owners being targets for fans. Very often it is not difficult to see the reasons why. Owners attract criticism for being too mean, too broke, too loyal towards unsuccessful managers or too distant and aloof from the fans. I would argue that, despite some recent disappointing (for fans) decisions in the transfer market, and uncharacteristically muddled communication, none of these really apply at Notts. Our owners have a coherent and sensible plan which they are not afraid to review and revise. They have deep enough pockets to cover losses. They are investing in infrastructure and, although most supporters would like to see more of them, they are not afraid to meet with fans and field questions.

Reflecting on the above made me question whether there might be something else going on which might explain the change that I have noticed. The change in question is not so much the mere fact of criticism, which of course is entirely healthy and normal, but the nature and strength of feeling which appears to be driving it. If I am right and there is something else significant going on, I wonder if the answer lies in the nature of the world of business which our owners come from. More specifically I wonder if there is a fundamental mindset difference between our current owners and ourselves which is magnifying the potential for ill-feeling.

All businessmen are gamblers. Our owners, because of their close links to the betting industry through their company Football Radar, are gambling experts. They have made an understanding of the science and mechanics of football gambling their life’s work and they sell their expertise to the betting industry. They work in an industry in which large numbers of small investors (i.e. the betting public) lose money to bookmakers. This happens because bookmakers make sure that their assessments of probability and risk are better than the collective assessments of probability and risk of their customers. Football Radar’s expertise lies in the collection and analysis of vast quantities of data. It is a business built entirely on dispassionate observation and measurement and analysis and deals with rationality, logic, mathematics, very large data samples, and long time frames.

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In terms of mindset and psychology, we fans are the complete opposites of our owners. Supporting a football club is not a rational and objective pastime; our emotional involvement with our club makes us very subjective; and our time frames are generally short. Supporting a football club has been said to sometimes resemble an addiction, sometimes a religion, and sometimes both. It is akin to a religion in its requirement for enduring faith in the face of suffering, and in the god-like status to which we accord our heroes. It is like an addiction because we invest an enormous amount of emotional energy in a hobby which we know is bad for us, and we know is far more likely to frustrate and disappoint than to reward us with joy. Also, it is the intermittent emotional reward of the battling win on the road or the last-minute winner which gives us the dopamine rush which we then crave until the next big hit.

So, here’s the crux of the problem. In our club, when our management team fail to successfully negotiate a contract with our star player and then sell our highly rated goalkeeper, our focus turns towards our owners, and we see immediately that they are not one of us. We are emotionally invested. They are dispassionate risk assessors making long-term calculations. We need heroes and dopamine hits. They need a long-term return on an investment and, within their model, what that means is better metrics, or more time for the laws of probability to play out. We need them to show how much they care. They need us to be patient.

Although I don’t know them, there is a lot I really like and admire about the Reedtz brothers. I like their thoughtfulness. I like their measured approach to things. I like their attitude of continuous learning and continuous improvement. There is something very endearing about their deference, their lack of flamboyance and their quiet introversion. Also, I believe there is something about the soul of our club which suits their style and their values. I have no way of knowing what the brothers make of us, but I sometimes wonder if they find us as hard to understand as we find them. I sometimes fear that one day they will get tired of the criticism and move on. What I want is for them to stick around and achieve the goals for our club that they set out in 2019. Perhaps when we as fans, and they as owners, learn to better recognise, respect and understand our differences, these goals will become easier to achieve.

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Joshua

Members

It’s hard to read some of the things being said about the Reedtz brothers, especially after everything the club has been through. We’ve had so many setbacks and disappointments over the years, and now we’re finally in a place that feels hopeful.

Even though the season didn’t start well, I’ve always believed the squad has real quality. The players care, and you can see that in how they play and how they carry themselves. It’s not just about talent, it’s about heart, and I think we’ve got that.

What matters most is that the club is in the hands of people who understand football. They might not always get every decision right, or know the perfect route to success, but their commitment to making things better is clear. I believe their long-term plan will pay off.

I find it frustrating when people call for them to leave just because we’re not climbing the leagues fast enough. We’re not owed anything, we have to work for it, together. Progress takes time, and I’d rather build something strong than chase quick fixes.

brilliant article, i can understand the disappointment but i dont get why some fans have to be as negative as they are and the earliest opportunity they want to see change despite the club being ran the best it has been in years. fans wanted stuart maynard out last season, then it turned to the reedtz but we are moving forward. it might not be fast paced, but we are progressing and improving even if we are losing good players here and there. those that complain of a lack of stability, are the ones calling for the changes. i trust the reedtz brothers to see out their vision and if not, i am sure they will hand us over to someone else who might. rather than another alan hardy type owner where its all about himself.

KingofCounty

Members

You can see the Reedtz plan is long term, but fans live in the moment. Hard balance to keep everyone happy.

Benji

Members

The Reedtz brothers have clearly brought stability and direction, but football will always stir emotion that data cannot fully capture. Supporters judge things on atmosphere, results, and how the team makes them feel on a Saturday. You can understand why some fans get frustrated when they hear business-like answers that sound detached. At the same time, it’s worth remembering the state of the club before their arrival. We have structure, ambition, and a clear path forward. The challenge is bridging the gap between calculated planning and the raw emotion that defines the game for so many.

Excellent Article @Graham. Well written and Valid Points all round. One problem that does raise it's Head is Certain Fans seem to think that as the Brothers Saved the Club, then they are above Criticism and Can Do No Wrong, and if any Notts Fan who thinks otherwise is Small Minded and Not a True Magpies Fan. Owning a Football Club Paints a Big Target on Your Back (Alan Hardy and Ray Trew are examples). You're going to get moaned at you're going to get Criticized, why? A simple Answer it's the Fans Money and Support that is the Lifeblood of any Football Club. Like Players, Owners Come and Go, one day the Reedtz Brothers will be gone, but the Fans Remain, And Every Fan has an Opinion which they are entitled too.

It really doesn't Matter how Many Millions an Owner Puts into a Club, they will only be Judged on one thing by many of their Fans. Success On The Pitch. Even the Greatest Owner of Notts County F.C Derek Pavis faced Criticism when he Modernized Meadow Lane and he said as much in an interview. Fans who moan seem ungrateful, but that's Human Nature and the Nature of the Beast, that is Football. When they arrived at the Lane the Brothers had Plans, Perhaps it would be a Good Idea for them to Reissue those Plans and see how they are coming along and give the Notts Faithful an idea where they hope the Club will be in Five Years Time and maybe it would be an Idea to Communicate with the Fans more often, instead of keeping what's happening at the Club quite and leaving the Fans in The Dark.

NottsLoyal

Members

The Reedtz model makes sense when you step back and look at the bigger picture. Before they arrived, the club was on shaky ground with no clear plan. Since then, we’ve had measured investment, stronger recruitment, and a sense that decisions are not made on impulse. That’s refreshing compared to years of instability. But football is unique because you can’t take the emotion out of it. Fans react to what they see on the pitch every week. When things don’t click, patience is harder to find. That’s why it’s important for the owners to keep communicating and showing that logic and ambition can still fit with the supporters’ passion.

upthepies

Members

The Reedtz brothers have built a solid foundation, and you can see how the club has benefited from their way of working. Results haven’t always been perfect, but we look like a club with a plan rather than just reacting to each season. Recruitment has been better, the squad is balanced, and the structure behind the scenes feels healthier.

Still, there’s always that tension between a fan’s view and an owner’s view. A supporter wants wins and excitement now, while the Reedtz approach is about sustainability. Neither is wrong, but it does mean there will always be debates on whether the club is ambitious enough in the short term.

Robbie

+Supporters

A very good article and well put together with some very good points raised by the author. There is no doubt that the Reedtz brothers have put the club on an even keel since they took over.

It's not just that they saved the club from possibly going out of business, they have continued to practise a sound business acumen with different ways of raising finances, beyond the club's football business.

It's also fair to say that the brothers have steadily improved the Notts fortunes on the pitch year by year culminating with getting the Club to the playoffs last season.

Sometimes steady success can also attract criticism from some supporters when things don't seem to be going to plan as they see it.

I don't think that any football owner is exempt from legitimate criticism but some of the criticism we've seen recently has been a little over the top.

The improvement in form over the last few weeks has been very encouraging, & it does appear that Martin Paterson is begining to get the side playing as he wants them to. I'm sure that the Reedtz brothers are happy with the improvement too.

We have some of the best squads under the Reedtz era than most of the ones I grew up watching, memories and talented players. All something that wouldn't happen without them investing and changing our fortunes. I understand that everyone wants a promotion, but it should not come at the cost of blaming the best hands we have had in years, no matter how grim things can be at times.

A lot of the issues some fans have is that they can't wait, but when we are not ready for promotion, it can come back to haunt us. I would rather show some patience and understanding that not everything will be perfect, while understanding that there is a system in place and the owners are ambitious.

The Reedtz want Notts to be around in the future and don't want to risk that by investing poorly, and when the time is right, some of these people against the Reedtz might just realise how good we have it.

nightOWL

Members

Aye, I’ve seen it all in me time. Clubs brought to their knees by folk who shouldn’t be let near a ledger. Money frittered away on daft things, while the basics get ignored. It’s no good having fancy ideas if you’ve not sorted the roof and the pitch first. That’s how clubs end up gasping for breath, near enough dead. Notts has always looked like it ought to be doing better. Big name, proud colours, but never quite showing what it’s made of. I don’t know much about your old owners, but I do remember reading about trouble with the tax man more than once. That sort of thing sticks in the mind. It’s a warning sign, that is.

We all want to see our team go up, don’t we? But it’s no good chasing glory if it means losing your soul. You’ve got to build steady. A club’s not just about the league table, it’s about the folk who stand by it, rain or shine. Your ground’s a proper one. Got character. Looks like it belongs in the Championship, easy. Putting money into things off the pitch, training, youth, the community, that’s what lasts. That’s what keeps a club strong when the goals dry up.

Fans make the club. Without ‘em, it’s just bricks and turf. And if the fans don’t care, it’s no better than watching telly and shouting at the screen. You need folk who turn up, who sing, who moan, who love it deep down. That’s what keeps it alive.

Seems to me your owners now have their heads screwed on. Making smart choices, not chasing daft dreams. That’s how you get the right players in, not just names, but lads who want to fight for the badge. You’re building something now, and that’s worth more than a lucky season.

All the best to you, Pie fans. Keep the faith.

Blake

Members

I really want Notts to play in the top leagues one day. It would be amazing to see us up there with the big teams. But even though I’m only 14, I don’t think we should just take silly risks and hope it works out. You’ve got to be smart about it.

The Reedtz brothers seem like they know what they’re doing. They don’t rush things and they’ve made loads of good choices. With new staff coming in, we’re getting fresh ideas and that’s helping us improve. We’re still getting used to League Two, but we’re doing alright.

Other teams keep saying we’re one of the best passing sides in the league. They’ve said it more than once, so it must mean something. I don’t really know what things were like before Alan Hardy, but hearing stuff like that makes me feel proud. It shows we’re heading in the right direction.

OoooooTommy

Members
18 minutes ago, nightOWL said:

Aye, I’ve seen it all in me time. Clubs brought to their knees by folk who shouldn’t be let near a ledger. Money frittered away on daft things, while the basics get ignored. It’s no good having fancy ideas if you’ve not sorted the roof and the pitch first. That’s how clubs end up gasping for breath, near enough dead. Notts has always looked like it ought to be doing better. Big name, proud colours, but never quite showing what it’s made of. I don’t know much about your old owners, but I do remember reading about trouble with the tax man more than once. That sort of thing sticks in the mind. It’s a warning sign, that is.

We all want to see our team go up, don’t we? But it’s no good chasing glory if it means losing your soul. You’ve got to build steady. A club’s not just about the league table, it’s about the folk who stand by it, rain or shine. Your ground’s a proper one. Got character. Looks like it belongs in the Championship, easy. Putting money into things off the pitch, training, youth, the community, that’s what lasts. That’s what keeps a club strong when the goals dry up.

Fans make the club. Without ‘em, it’s just bricks and turf. And if the fans don’t care, it’s no better than watching telly and shouting at the screen. You need folk who turn up, who sing, who moan, who love it deep down. That’s what keeps it alive.

Seems to me your owners now have their heads screwed on. Making smart choices, not chasing daft dreams. That’s how you get the right players in, not just names, but lads who want to fight for the badge. You’re building something now, and that’s worth more than a lucky season.

All the best to you, Pie fans. Keep the faith.

I like how they run the club with patience. It feels stable compared to the chaos we had before. Sometimes it feels too clinical, but we are in a much better place than we were a few years back.

NottsTastic

Members

They’ve earned trust for me. I’d rather logic than knee-jerk reactions that harm the club.

Ash

Members

Some people just don’t know how to say what they mean properly. They get angry and type the first thing that pops into their head. It doesn’t help anyone and just makes things worse.

If someone really wants the Reedtz brothers to leave, and they can explain it properly, I’d still be confused. They’ve done loads of good stuff for the club and seem to care about it. I don’t get why anyone would want that to stop.

If the brothers have any sense they won’t have any or certainly not read any social media, which is where the majority of the “supporters” who want them out seem to air their ridiculous views.

I’ve said before that anyone who says the brothers should leave our club needs their head testing, they obviously have very short memories of the shambles our club has been in recent years under a succession of poor owners. People should be careful what they wish for.

The Reedtz brothers are slowly building a sustainable club that is fit for higher divisions where we are hoping to be in the future and I for one hope they are here for the long haul.

NiftyNick

Members

I still think the club needs to connect with fans in a more emotional way. It’s not just about stats and figures. People want to feel part of something, not just watch it from the outside. Even so, they’re doing a much better job than the last few owners we’ve had.

Things feel more stable now, and there’s a proper plan in place. That makes a big difference.

9 hours ago, Wheelbarrow repair man said:

Even the Greatest Ow

8 hours ago, Fan of Big Tone said:

The Reedtz brothers are slowly building a sustainable club that is fit for higher divisions where we are hoping to be in the future and I for one hope they are here for the long haul.

ner of Notts County F.C Derek Pavis faced Criticism when he Modernized Meadow Lane and he said as much in an interview.

I maybe nitpicking but the "greatest owner" was Jack Dunnett (4th Division to the 1st in football's old money"). The modernisation of Meadow Lane was a consequence of the Taylor Report. Other clubs (like Portsmouth seemingly dragged their feet and kept the investment off the pitch for as long as possible?)

10 hours ago, Wheelbarrow repair man said:

where they hope the Club will be in Five Years Time

Oh, the much vaunted, 5 year plan... Football, by it's very nature, just one bad season and all plans are out of the window. Look at Scunthorpe, Southend, etc, from the Championship to out of the EFL.

9 hours ago, TheSkipper said:

The Reedtz want Notts to be around in the future and don't want to risk that by investing poorly, and when the time is right, some of these people against the Reedtz might just realise how good we have it.

Just look at Sheffield Wednesday's ownership ( @nightOWL ) and the prior ownership of Morecambe FC in recent months.

8 hours ago, Fan of Big Tone said:

The Reedtz brothers are slowly building a sustainable club that is fit for higher divisions where we are hoping to be in the future and I for one hope they are here for the long haul.

Trying to get "off field" matters right, the Reedtz are the first owners in my lifetime in trying to achieve this. The Nest, the training pitches, improving hospitality, a state of the art pitch ( 🍄 excepted) even new hand driers in the toilets! None of this has happened ever since the Pavis ground redevelopment).

All in all a great article @Graham . A common thread of the responses hat tips to "emotions". Our owners are Scandinavians and after many years of visiting Sweden and Denmark on business, the Scandinavians generally appear as "cold" from outside appearances.

It is the Reedtz "thoughtfulness" that has got us this far. Yes, there have been mistakes, even the great Jimmy Sirrel made some too.

#COYP

14 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

Trying to get "off field" matters right, the Reedtz are the first owners in my lifetime in trying to achieve this. The Nest, the training pitches, improving hospitality, a state of the art pitch ( 🍄 excepted) even new hand driers in the toilets! None of this has happened ever since the Pavis ground redevelopment).

There’s no monorail yet though. 😝

Randall

Members

The divide between supporters and ownership often comes down to perspective. Fans see football as part of their identity, a routine that dictates emotions from week to week. Owners, like the Reedtz brothers, have to think in terms of business sense and long-term development. It’s not that one side cares more than the other, but they view success differently. From what I see, the Reedtz plan is about ensuring the club is stronger year after year, and that matters given where we came from. At the same time, it’s natural for fans to want immediate thrills. The challenge is finding a way to deliver both without losing the stability we’ve gained.

The Heff

Members

I think most Notts fans can see the good work the Reedtz brothers have done. Some weren’t happy with Stuart Maynard coming in, and now Martin Paterson, but the club has given both a fair chance to succeed. The owners seem willing to learn and improve. They don’t rip things up each season, they stick to their plan and make small changes to help it along.

We haven’t seen wild swings in approach. The club isn’t signing ex-Premier League players one minute, then throwing in youngsters before they’re ready the next. There’s been no risky push for promotion at the cost of the club’s future. Unlike before, the money is being used properly to keep things steady and build for the long term.

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