Klopp to leave Liverpool

[Piethagoram]

 

[Piethagoram]

 

[Robbie]

Sorry but I say big deal.

He's not a patch on Bill Shankly or Bob Paisley. The advantage that the big six Clubs have since the introduction of the Premier League, and the fact, the Champions league is no longer a competition for Champions, takes away any respect I have for the big six Managers of the last 20 years.

[Chris]

Jürgen Klopp has single-handedly transformed Liverpool; he's by far their best manager in 30 years.

Rafael Benítez did well with Liverpool, but he had a good squad and never managed to make them a threat in the league. Definitely not a legitimate champion of the Premier League. They experienced seasons that were squandered. Michael Owen should have been in a much closer title race with the squad they had, but never could be taken seriously. The thoughts of them winning the league back then is like think Tottenham Hotspur could win any English cup with the squad they have now.

In the history of the Premier League, teams are facing a challenging era of lavish spending, a stark contrast to the limited resources that Klopp had to work with at Liverpool.

Sadio Mané and Mohamed Salah became stars thanks to how Klopp gave the squad belief.

Salah would have been a much wasted talent without the spark and form he found under Klopps management.

Liverpool are now a serious Premier League title candidate, this won't be the same unless Liverpool hire a good replacement and even then, I feel they'll start splashing more cash. Jürgen Klopp for me is a brilliant manager, that proves good coaches can come from average football careers. I doubt Pep Guardiola could win the league with Liverpool, for all his hype he needs to manage to teams that have money and already established world-class players.

[KB1862]

Be interesting to see where Liverpool go when Jurgen Klopp leaves. Will they remain contenders and a force like they have been or will they go back to where they were pre-Klopp and sit in mid table mediocrity?

As @Chris has mentioned, he's transformed Liverpool to be this force of a team that we see today. Before him, Liverpool were still one of the big teams in England but never really cemented themselves as such. This stat I came across on Twitter shows just how much of an impact he's had on this team.

Klopp gets credited with some accolades that he has achieved at Liverpool and gets some decent mentions. However, he doesn't quite get the full credit he deserves for what he has done at Liverpool. During his time, he's had to compete with Pep and Man City which is why he doesn't get as much praise as he should have done. Thing that fans often forget when comparing the 2 is where the teams were before and where they are now. Man City had multiple Premier League titles to their name, spent money and were becoming a top team before Pep got there. Credit to Pep, he has made City the team they are today but when it comes to impact on teams from when they both took over to where they are presently, Klopp is ahead of Pep.

I remember listening to a podcast with Andrew Robertson as a guest and he said that when Klopp took over he drilled his style in to the players. Players were throwing up left right and centre because of the high intensity Klopp wanted. But, that's paid off and when you see Liverpool play you see what he was trying to achieve in their high intensity high press style. 

Steven Gerrard was always deemed Klopps successor when the time came but following his spell at Aston Villa and now managing in the Saudi League while signing a new deal, I'd be surprised if he was to become the next manager. Had he stayed at Rangers and continued his hard work that he was doing then maybe. But, I think Xabi Alonso could be a shout and it's no surprise to see that he's the favourite to take over considering how well he's doing at Leverkusen. 

 

[DangerousSausage]

Oh dear, didn't he realise the Notts hot seat was already taken? Whoops.

@Robbie you could use the financial power of the top six to talk down his success, but it's a double-edged sword. Liverpool's main competition for honours has been an absolute behemoth of a club with the spending power of an oil-rich state behind them, while Manchester United and Chelsea have fallen away completely despite all their spending.

Klopp has managed three clubs in his career and is a legend at every one of them. He took Mainz into the Bundesliga for the first time in their history - they were a struggling second division outfit with crowds of about 5000 when he took over. That club wouldn't be where it is now if it weren't for him. As for Dortmund, people assume they were always successful but that isn't true. He took over a struggling team and turned them into title winners - they've won the Bundesliga five times, and two of them were under Klopp. And this against a Bayern side that spent twice as much money.

It'll be interesting to see what he does next. I wouldn't bet against him taking over the German national team after the summer. 

[Robbie]

@DangerousSausage I mentioned Shankly, you could even include Clough, Nicolson, Mercer, and Revie who built very good sides that were successful in the league & in Europe from scratch, they didn't have the best players by any state of the imagination but they built them, coached them and managed them into successful sides.

But now it's different, the top sides have the best players because  they have the money and the rest cannot compete. For me, the managers that I've mentioned are the best.

[DangerousSausage]

27 minutes ago, Robbie said:

But now it's different, the top sides have the best players becaus  they have the money and the rest cannot compete

I agree, and it's not a good thing. I'd much rather that fans of Championship clubs could realistically dream about winning the title one day without having to be taken over by a billionaire first. However, times have changed and this makes it difficult to compare the eras. How far could Clough have taken the West Bridgford club if they had to overcome today's massive financial imbalance? Could he have built such a successful team if richer clubs were tempting them away after a year or two? We'll never know. 

By the same token, in the modern era some managers have hit their head on the financial glass ceiling. Would Alan Curbishley or David Moyes have been title winners in days gone by?

Klopp has been on the wrong side of this financial divide in the past, it's where he built his reputation. He's not the best Liverpool manager, but he's a damn good one!

[Robbie]

@DangerousSausage And that's just it. Times have changed for the worse. Teams like Man City are in effect buying success. They may as well pay a billion pounds and buy the Champions league for a year. That's why there needs to be a transfer cap to stop the top clubs buying all the best players.

Something like £100 million tops per season to start with. That would fix the big spending

 

[Piethagoram]

 

 

[Robbie]

3 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

 

 

Not another Champagne Socialist.

[Piethagoram]

"Too much common sense"!!!!!

[Robbie]

42 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

"Too much common sense"!!!!!

He should stick to Football instead of delving into politics. There's too much politics in football now and it's killing our beautiful game.

[KB1862]

Politics and football shouldn't mix. I agree with @Robbie too much politics in the game is killing it. 

There are some views that people, in the game of football, may have but it should be as part of a separate conversation. 

[liampie]

On 26/01/2024 at 20:27, Robbie said:

But now it's different, the top sides have the best players because  they have the money and the rest cannot compete. For me, the managers that I've mentioned are the best.

leicester city went downhill when they started paying their players far more money than they deserved after winning the league. money ruins football, i think they should have sold vardy to arsenal and cash in. claudio ranieri transformed them and deserved longer if they had, he might have kept them up instead of them falling down.

likewise, jurgen klopp has done well without throwing money at players. i know they have spent a bit in the last two seasons but its balanced by who they have sold.

teams these days will want the best players in the world, that almost guarantees success. everton had a spell where they looked highly likely of finishing in the top six, they got praised but it was due to spending. unfortunately this is modern football.

our own success is down to spending money wisely and competing competitively against other teams. we are not one of those teams who are fortunate enough to be able to replicate accrington stanley or barrow. we have a great attendance record and good squad, because we have used our resources well.

[AmericanPie]

Times have changed, unfortunately, and there's not much we can do but accept it for what it is. The thing I respect the most about Jürgen Klopp is how down-to-earth he is; there's no hint of arrogance or self-importance. He laughs and smiles, treats people well, and is a very good manager for this reason. His achievements at Liverpool should be celebrated and appreciated. He's made a one-team title race a lot more enjoyable; Spurs, Arsenal, and Chelsea would love to have the stability he has built at Liverpool.