The Race To Net Zero.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

On 03/10/2024 at 10:42, Robbie said:

Wouldn't you know, Tony Blair & Labour messed up regarding the UK's future Nuclear Energy needs.

"Tony Blair's plan to pave the way for a new generation of nuclear power stations by the time he leaves office was in disarray yesterday after the high court ruled the government had carried out a "misleading" and "seriously flawed" consultation on its energy review".

 

Judge deals blow to Blair's nuclear plans | Labour | The Guardian

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Court rules consultation on power stations was 'misleading and flawed'.

 

2007!!! @Robbie C'mon...what have the Tories done this past 14 years? Hinckley Point delays and delays.. No new onshore wind farms and you complain of high electricity costs? Hypocritical!

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

This is a good listen & very informative.

 

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To have your energy needs dependent on foreign Countries is a national security issue as far as I'm concerned.

 

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[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Why Net Zero is so important... Ask the people of Valencia

What to know about the unprecedented floods that killed more than 200 in Spain

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In the blink of an eye, the muddy water covered roads, railways and entered houses and businesses in towns and villages on the southern outskirts of Valencia city.

 

15 hours ago, Robbie said:

 

14 years of non action by Tory governments

Neglect in building nuclear power stations quickly enough, on shore wind farms too..so much Tory nimbyism.

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[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Sorry @RobbieI am getting tired of your postings of right wing propogandists Tice, Bernie, Guido, Net zero watch... 

How about posting from scientists who realise the damage to the planet, fossil fuel purveyors are doing?

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

The locals in Cornwall are not happy with this Labour Government.

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

This Labour Government gets crazier by the day.

Nothing they do is in the UK's interest. Just Labour's crazy interest.

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Fury as UK beauty spot to be dug up and ruined under Ed Miliband's net zero plot.

Fury as UK beauty spot to be dug up under Ed Miliband's net zero plot | UK | News | Express.co.uk

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EXCLUSIVE: A picturesque strip of land in Lincolnshire is being ripped up to...

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

But @Robbie electricity infrastructure is necessary. Practicalities, its cheaper to deliver electricity with pylons than burying it underground. The nuclear power stations promised and then delayed by Tory governments, could have delivered cheaper energy. What a surprise the Express doesnt mention this? I wonder why 

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

On 04/11/2024 at 11:35, Piethagoram said:

Sorry @RobbieI am getting tired of your postings of right wing propogandists Tice, Bernie, Guido, Net zero watch... 

How about posting from scientists who realise the damage to the planet, fossil fuel purveyors are doing?

I don't think this is fair. You post almost exclusively from one viewpoint, Robbie is your antithesis.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Perhaps the way to look at it, is to find respected scientists publicly speaking at the World Climate conferences in favour of the fossil fuel lobby. 

In general, there aren't any!

[DangerousSausage]

You're all conflating two issues here.

Firstly, there's climate change. Companies with a vested interest in fossil fuels dedicate a lot of resources to lobbying and attempting to influence public opinion as this helps shore up their business. Net Zero Watch, which has been quoted on this thread, goes to great lengths to hide the sources of its funding, but we do know it has connections to the US oil industry. On the other side you have climate scientists, who have to disclose their funding and publish their findings in full for public scrutiny. Who do you trust to provide you with accurate information that isn't framed in a misleading way?

A good example of misleading information is the post by @Robbie showing the power sources for a single November day. We all know why November was chosen and not May or July. That day has been dishonestly cherry-picked to show the lowest possible share of renewables in power generation. Viewed over a whole year, renewable sources contribute over 30% of UK energy. 

Secondly, there's net zero and how we get there. If we care about energy security (and we should), we need to remember that fossil and nuclear fuels are imported. The UK does not have any significant uranium deposits. Renewables are the only game in town and they need to be planned sensibly.

Instead of denying climate change or spreading false claims about renewables put out there by vested interests, we need to be pushing politicians to make sure that the financial burden of this change isn't borne by those who are least able to pay for it - again! 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@DangerousSausage

Misleading information? In your opinion,  but in reality no

Autumn & Winter is the time when the temperature drops considerably, if you didn't notice.

There is going to be a big demand for power, electricity and gas usage is going to go up tremendously.

The Country no longer has the energy generation capacity to supply during peak demand.

Fossil fuels are still going to be relatively cheap in the US & now Trump is now in power he's going to reverse any movement to renewables, while this government will just carry on regardless to net zero.

Having to import electricity from abroad is a national disgrace, & shutting down the coal fired power stations & building windmills that have no wind to power them half the time, is a nation calamity.

Renewable energy is more expensive. We are also paying the renewable levy in our bills making our bills more expensive.

Shutting down Oil exploration, stopping new coal mines, shutting down the coalmines in the first place & banning fracking is going to put our industry, what's left of it, to a big disadvantage internationally. 

And domestic energy bills in this Country, which is the highest in the World, will only get more expensive, unless these policies are reversed.

And this Labour government stopped the winter fuel allowance for millions of pensioners just like me.

That's my take. People can judge by how expensive their bill is now, & in the future, but if anyone thinks that energy prices will ever reduce in this Country, think again.

The only way that they will reduce if government reverse this crazy obsession with green policies.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Perhaps the way to look at it, is to find respected scientists publicly speaking at the World Climate conferences in favour of the fossil fuel lobby. 

In general, there aren't any!

Generally, scientists who oppose this perceived general consensus on climate change are either shouted down, or cancelled. What happened to David Bellamy who dared to challenge that general consensus?

[DangerousSausage]

6 minutes ago, Robbie said:

Misleading information? In your opinion,  but in reality no

The poster used the data for one particularly dark, non-windy day when the data for an entire year was available. How is this not misleading? It's like claiming that Notts don't score many because Sam Slocombe hasn't scored yet.

11 minutes ago, Robbie said:

Having to import electricity from abroad is a national disgrace, & shutting down the coal fired power stations & building windmills that have no wind to power them half the time, is a nation calamity.

Coal is imported from abroad. In 2022, the UK became a net exporter of electricity for the first time in 44 years (source: Statista).

On top of that, the UK is a very windy country with a very long coastline. We could literally lead the world in wind power, reducing our dependency on dodgy foreign regimes for fossil fuels and giving us cleaner air. It will be cheaper in the long run too!

It's worth noting that power bills surged in the first place because we were overly dependent on Russia for gas. The same regime that is already being courted by Donald Trump. If we want to reduce our exposure, we need to become truly energy independent. Here's another reminder that the pages you've been sharing are financed by foreign oil companies that want us to keep paying for their oil! 

28 minutes ago, Robbie said:

The Country no longer has the energy generation capacity to supply during peak demand.

Batteries exist. Look up energy storage systems. Some former coal power stations are being repurposed as giant batteries so we can use excess energy in lean periods. 

16 minutes ago, Robbie said:

What happened to David Bellamy who dared to challenge that general consensus?

David Bellamy is a botanist. Would you go to a doctor of law if you had a broken leg?