The Race To Net Zero.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

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[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

ANDREW NEIL: Starmer wants to tell us what to eat, what to drive and how to heat our homes. His climate change obsession will be his downfall | Daily Mail Online

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The Prime Minister went in person and mob-handed to impress on everybody how Britain 'leads the world on climate...

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The Institute of Fiscal Studies calculates household bills will soon rise by another £120 a year in green levies to subsidise the expansion of renewable capacity. Labour politicians must have known at the time that the promised cut was mission impossible.

The extra £1 billion for offshore wind Starmer is so proud of is a mere drop in the North Sea compared to what is required to meet Labour's target of decarbonising the electricity system by 2030. Tens of billions more will be required in wind turbines and solar panels – and tens of billions more on top of that to build pylons and cables for a national grid which will need to be reconfigured to carry renewables, which are intermittent and unreliable.

The consumer – households and business – will bear the cost. The UK already has some of the highest electricity prices in the developed world to finance subsidies for renewable energy. They are about to get higher. This week the Beatrice Offshore Wind Farm in the Moray Firth became the fourth UK wind farm to collect more than £1 billion in subsidies. It will rake in about £2 billion in the course of its 15-year lifespan.

The Office for Budget Responsibility calculates that subsidies for renewables will add £12 billion to fuel bills for this year alone – and that's before we include future renewable subsidies and the £100 billion needed to upgrade the national grid for decarbonisation. No wonder industry is either closing down or fleeing to America, where energy prices are a fraction of Britain's.

 

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

 

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[DangerousSausage]

1 hour ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

 

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This is what I mean by dishonest cherry-picking. Day-ahead prices vary widely even within a single day. This makes it very easy to find a chart that fits your agenda. On 29 September this year, day-ahead electricity prices in the UK ranged from €55 to €139 per MWh (source), nowhere near the €200+ shown on that chart. The prices were at the level shown only briefly on 29 September 2023 and for nearly all of 29 September 2022, so that chart is at least a year old, more likely two given the heading. If wholesale prices are falling year-on-year, this also doesn't support the claim that prices are spiking.

There's nothing wrong with the graph itself. However, the spike in prices happened in 2022, which we all know had nothing to do with renewables. It is also missing the crucial context that it shows a brief snapshot within a single day probably two years ago.

I'm not going to address the claims by known climate change denier Andrew Neil, but it's telling that the voices telling us that climate change is a conspiracy and we should just belch loads of CO2 into the atmosphere like there's no tomorrow are idealogues and/or are mysteriously funded, Tufton Street-based organisations with their strings pulled by the fossil fuel industry.

I'm bowing out of this now before someone quotes Donald Trump or somebody. But here's one last thought: there is loads and loads of information on this topic, from impartial sources that tell you where their data is from. Why rely on the Daily Mail to tell you what to think?

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

Without refering to anyone for or against net zero just look at this photograph of the footings of just ONE wind turbine.

Look at all the amount of steel that is needed just to keep the wind turbine secure and stable, & concrete is added too.

These wind turbines are bird killers & just look at the environmental vandalism for just ONE wind turbine. 

The steel will have to be imported too. Guess what, cheap Chinese steel no doubt, produced by coal fired blast furnaces & power stations.

Can you see the CON in front of you? How long will it take for just one wind turbine to pay for itself.

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

10 hours ago, DangerousSausage said:

This is what I mean by dishonest cherry-picking. Day-ahead prices vary widely even within a single day. This makes it very easy to find a chart that fits your agenda. On 29 September this year, day-ahead electricity prices in the UK ranged from €55 to €139 per MWh (source), nowhere near the €200+ shown on that chart. The prices were at the level shown only briefly on 29 September 2023 and for nearly all of 29 September 2022, so that chart is at least a year old, more likely two given the heading. If wholesale prices are falling year-on-year, this also doesn't support the claim that prices are spiking.

There's nothing wrong with the graph itself. However, the spike in prices happened in 2022, which we all know had nothing to do with renewables. It is also missing the crucial context that it shows a brief snapshot within a single day probably two years ago.

I'm not going to address the claims by known climate change denier Andrew Neil, but it's telling that the voices telling us that climate change is a conspiracy and we should just belch loads of CO2 into the atmosphere like there's no tomorrow are idealogues and/or are mysteriously funded, Tufton Street-based organisations with their strings pulled by the fossil fuel industry.

I'm bowing out of this now before someone quotes Donald Trump or somebody. But here's one last thought: there is loads and loads of information on this topic, from impartial sources that tell you where their data is from. Why rely on the Daily Mail to tell you what to think?

I think you missed the sarcasm bit but ok.

 

You can boil this down to a very basic argument. If the renewable energy sources were as cost effective and reliable as the more traditional sources, every country in the world would be clambering over eachother to implement it. This includes left and right, it's basic economics at the core.

Why aren't they? Why do they have to be convinced and persuaded to even pay lip service to it? It's either because they're deluded morons that want to destroy the Earth -  OR - it's because the renewable sources aren't as economically viable as you're conveying.

 

I'm willing to bet it's the latter. I don't care if you believe in climate change or not - or more importantly as to what extent you believe humans are responsible for it, to be honest this isn't my area of interest nor something I've studied at length - but you do not destroy your economy to virtue signal when the rest of the world isn't doing the same. It's madness.

You invest in the people and fund research, scientific advancement, engineering... To get you technologically to the point where net zero is not only economically prudent, it's financially profitable. That is capitalism. 

 

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

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UK ‘needs to play catch-up’ in global race to rewire electricity grids UK paying for wind turbines to be turned off during windy weather because there is not enough grid infrastructure to carry electricity. Crazy lack of...

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Robbie Melville, need I say more. The video conveniently ignores the fossil fuel costs of production? I wonder why?

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

More taxpayers money squandered by this government.

 

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

C'mon @Robbie That Andrew Neil who no longer lives in the UK!

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram

It doesn't matter where he lives, he's telling the truth about this terrible Labour government. 

They are even putting this Country into recession. Labour are losing support in droves. They kinda asked for it didn't they.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Robbie The situation at Vestas Isle of Wight isn't an overnight happening. The roots of the problem lie back with the previous Conservative government in terms of the timeline of what was happening in the industry. One has to "trade off" supporting workers ( family supporting jobs) or complete redundancy of the entire workforce. I think Labour gov't has done the best it could of a bad hand left by Sunak. 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram

Reality check. Labour are the government. They own it. Labour are trashing the economy. They have put the UK on the edge of a damaging recession.

They've upset the farmers, they couldn't care a jot about the pensioners, while sending money abroad. They've trashed our  industry. Net zero is killing it.

We have the highest energy prices in the western world due to net zero policies. Our industry cannot complete.

Starmer is the most hated PM ever. Almost 3 million have signed a petition wanting a new election. He even has a song about him, showing how he is treating our pensioners. Looks like it will be a Xmas number 1. 

How can anyone defend this rabble of a government?

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

11 hours ago, Robbie said:

We have the highest energy prices in the western world due to net zero policies. Our industry cannot complete.

Let's be clear @Robbie, the highest prices in the western world rest with the 14 years of the Tories. It's not Labour's fault!

Labour were left with a £22bn black hole from Sunak. Hardly a responsible action by the Conservatives ( who increased National Debt 3x in their 14 years in power).

As regards the farmers, all Labour are doing are targeting the very rich who have purchased farmland to avoid inheritance tax. That seems a fair policy...it got Jeremy Clarkson very upset, so it must be good 

As mentioned many times by me, the Tories lack of action on nuclear power over 14 years has left immediate cheaper electricity off the table. Let's face it, the Tories could never do / manage infrastructure investment : nuclear power stations, HS2, on land wind farms, Raac in schools etc, Grenfell cladding issues....they have just left the complete mess for Labour to sort out.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Piethagoram

You can defend Labour all you want. You can go on about the £22 billion black hole as much as you like.

Many Pensioners are most likely going to die this winter due to Labour policy of taking away their fuel allowance. What a mean thing to do to people that they should be helping.

Labour are paying for projects abroad that should have gone toward helping our own pensioners, ie, Ukraine, UNHCR A £50 million package for Syria that could go to help the homeless. 

You cannot defend the indefensible. Labours poll numbers are dropping like a stone.

People across the Country are making their decision about two tier Kier. He'll be a one term failure.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

Actually @Robbie I don't defend the withdrawal of winter fuel payments. I think it's morally wrong

Money for Ukraine, I support, as did Boris

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

3 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Let's be clear @Robbie, the highest prices in the western world rest with the 14 years of the Tories. It's not Labour's fault!

Labour were left with a £22bn black hole from Sunak. Hardly a responsible action by the Conservatives ( who increased National Debt 3x in their 14 years in power).

As regards the farmers, all Labour are doing are targeting the very rich who have purchased farmland to avoid inheritance tax. That seems a fair policy...it got Jeremy Clarkson very upset, so it must be good 

As mentioned many times by me, the Tories lack of action on nuclear power over 14 years has left immediate cheaper electricity off the table. Let's face it, the Tories could never do / manage infrastructure investment : nuclear power stations, HS2, on land wind farms, Raac in schools etc, Grenfell cladding issues....they have just left the complete mess for Labour to sort out.

Agreed. The Tories are almost entirely at fault for the mess in which our energy industry is currently in. If you think Ed Milliband is the answer though, I'd ponder the question.

Disagree about the farmers. They aren't targeting the mega rich - they've clearly made an insane miscalculation over who this actually affects. Sure, it will cost the 'very rich' a few shillings when they hand it over to their kids - but these type of people have a way to get around such things with loopholes and the like - so the government will receive diddly squat - and not Clarkson's. The people is does impact, however, will be your 'everyday' farmer, those not earning millions or anywhere close, but are seen as 'asset rich' because of the land. The net result is disastrous for British farming, if this policy persists - and I sincerely hope it doesn't - farming land will be sold left right and centre. Clearly, if you have an ideological persuasion to believe that is a good thing, this policy would make sense. I believe that Starmer does, and that's why he's implemented it. I don't. 

Agree that the Tories have spent 14 years and left us in a mess. I strongly believe this will be seen in a decade or two as a complete stain on that party, not that I care much for it anyway. However, let us not harbour any hope that this current Labour mob will do anything but continue the decline or hasten it. 

 

Strong kick up the backside / major re-direction required in British politics. 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Super_Danny_Allsopp

Noticed you didn't mention the plight of the pensioners this winter. With Energy prices being the highest in the G 20 with the Green surcharge on energy bills being taken by this government to push the race to net zero at the expense of the vunerable & old.

Both the Tories & Labour are guilty of pushing these policies. Labour are just more extreme. The Uniparty has a lot to answer for pushing policies that will make this Country poorer & the people poorer for future generations.

I say get rid of the green levy off energy bills. Scrap giving government money to companies constructing & supplying  green products like Heat Pumps,  Electric Cars, Windmills & Solar panels that blight our Countryside. Redirect that money to helping the old, vunerable & homeless.

Reverse the stopping of giving out licences for North sea oil exploration. Allow the construction of new Coal mines and start the process of extracting gas from  the strata below ground.

The UK still has plenty of untapped energy underground, & under the sea. For the sake of future generations these valuable resources need to be tapped into.

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

40 minutes ago, Robbie said:

@Super_Danny_Allsopp

Noticed you didn't mention the plight of the pensioners this winter. With Energy prices being the highest in the G 20 with the Green surcharge on energy bills being taken by this government to push the race to net zero at the expense of the vunerable & old.

 

 I think it's obvious how terrible of a policy that is, hence not mentioning it. The fact it comes from a Labour government, is just depressing. 

Labour are marching into the abyss and will get pummelled in the next election should they continue their current trend. If there is a particularly cold winter, I wouldn't be surprised if Starmer was gone by Summer. 

 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

@Super_Danny_Allsopp

I agree that Labour are facing the abyss. 

When a new government comes in. They do have lots of goodwill & the majority of the Country wanted them to succeed. 

Surprisingly maybe to some, I wanted them to succeed too, but cutting off the winter fuel allowance was a bad move, & then one negative policy overtakes anything else that they subsequently try to do.

£1.4billion to help pensioners isn't a lot of money in the scheme of things. Keeping it would have projected a lot of good will for Labour as a caring party.

They had a chance to admit they were wrong & reverse their decision, but they are just too stubborn to see the damage this policy will do this winter.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

3 hours ago, Robbie said:

Reverse the stopping of giving out licences for North sea oil exploration.

How many times do I have to say this, extractions out of the North Sea are mainly sold directly on to international markets. The UK consumer sees no real benefit.

Green energy is cheaper energy in the long term, but hey @Robbie may even want fracking too? UK coal mines dogma again I see on display.... like the Cumbrian coal field where the coal isn't of the quality to help the blast furnaces.

 

 

 

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[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

That's red Ed for you.