not bein funny but moniz plan is simple attack and just pray we score more an it shows in the goals against I think we have the second worse goals against record 

Moniz was an experiment and Ray admitted that when he signed him. The transfer committee was an attempt to stop the clear out of players each time.

I think both have failed and we have the makings of a good squad If the new man releases of of spare junk and concentrated on not conceding first.

 

I admitted my emotional over reaction to relegation, but it says of when we only rely on a couple of other teams being worse than us to stay in League two. Take a look at the goals conceded column. Not good enough.

@tonyhateley must still be in a bad mood. Justhe been to rubenshaws and Ikea retail park and the dark cloud coming from that part of the world is bad. Went as soon as we came home again. I blame your mood tone.

5 hours ago, hissingdwarf said:

I think a little realism is required here,

Let's go back to Salford for example. No effort at all and players didn't want to play for him.

A manager is in charge of the organisation of the team and sets them up accordingly to play the way he wishes. If we had released Yates and kept Moniz do you seriously think it would have made any difference?

His philosophy of attack at all costs is to be lauded, but has regretfully led us to ... being much closer to the bottom of league two than the top. Without a change now I firmly believe we would have registered our lowest position in years. 

To say he knew what he was doing is strange. The Morcambe game showed the errors. No team can start so badly then play so well and say we don't have the players. We clearly do, what is lacking is the defensive organisation and the motivation to deal in the dirty League we are in. The start and lack of fight in the first half showed how exposed his team selections were. Smith couldn't walk, never mind run and yet he persisted in playing him for his motivational influence. Well with the greatest respect, Milsom or Curtis Thompson would have covered more grass and made more tackles than Smith did guaranteed and held more cover for the actual weak defence.

 

And to cap it all.

Jenner!

Everybody liked the attacking expansive football. Something we have been longing for at the Lane for years. Did it work? NO.

Get the team organised. Get some solid defenders in (who imo are already on our books such as Bennett and Adams and if not replace them with players for their positions.) When Stan said in his aftermatch interview we have lots of players playing out of position, it says alot for the selection policy.

 

Branston (and idea of Panel) bye bye. Branston DID make alot of the signings, yet he bears no responsibility. Not on. The idea of the Sprokels of this world along with the massive squad we have, cut them loose now. Quality not quantity is what Moniz said he would get. Did he (or Branston) deliver? No.

Just look at the back of the programme every match. The squad size is ridiculous.

Errm I think the expansive attacking football at the lane did work as prior to the Morecambe match our home record was the same as second placed Northampton. So entertaining attacking football at meadow lane getting good results.

Defensively we were poor so why not change the defensive coach and/or invest in a decent centre back in the same way we invested in Izale McLeod? The terrible away form could have been addressed - see it as part of Moniz's learning curve. 

After all the comings and goings over the last few seasons some good football 'promotion form' at Meadow Lane, which after 1/2 a season was a good start to the the new era which the Trews wanted.

I know I won't change anyone's mind about Moniz who views this forum, but I'm certain we won't have any change for the better and success at Notts if a manager isn't given a chance beyond a few month. I think this was, with good results at home and some very good players in the squad, that opportunity.

 

 

6 hours ago, Dripsey3 said:

Football is a results business. RM wasn't getting the desired results and nothing was changing. Did he deserve the sack? Yes. He didn't get the best out of a strong squad. Getting rid of the whole management team was the way to go. We now have half a season to push on and achieve promotion.

'Football is a results business'.

No. This is the point where we disagree. Football thinks it's a results business and behaves as if it is. Promotion is not a requirement for entertainment, it's a target but not achieving it this year is not necessarily failure. If the club (board) have gambled financially on promotion then they have made a huge mistake in my opinion, as they have made 'failure' more likely than 'success', however you care to define them. Don't set yourself up to fail.

However, it isn't; it's part of the entertainment industry trying to get paying customers, either through the turnstiles or on TV.

A zero-sum game means there have to be losers in most games. A victory is what we want to see, but it has become the be all and end all for too many in the game. It should be the icing on the cake.

Ray and Aileen have partly recognised this in doing things like set up the MLSB, I'd go to fewer games without that facility. I hate to use the word, but match-day should be an enjoyable 'experience', which is enjoyable when your team loses or draws and truly fantastic when they win.

'Best out of a strong squad'. Is it really that strong in ALL areas? I feel he got the best out of the attacking potential of the players. As I said before, I'd have changed defensive coach(es) and bought/loaned a centre half to go with Sheehan. I think NCFC under Moniz were that close to promotion.

Edited December 30, 201510 yr by ivansneck
typo

It is mind boggling that anybody still tries to defend Moniz!  The clues have been there since his arrival - he was hopeless.

Some of his signings aren't even pub standard players and his inability to organise the team, get basic tactics and selections right or galvanise the players to give their all from the outset mark him out as one of the poorest managers we have had in the 50+ years I have been supporting Notts.

Playing decent for 10 - 20 minutes in a match doesn't cut the mustard, nor does it warrant the "best football seen in years" tag. Admittedly, we've been cr@p for most of the last 20 odd seasons, bar 2 notable exceptions but Moniz was a very poor manager and is unlikely to ever undertake such a role in this country again.  Good riddance. Now let's move forwards - for a change!

@ivansneck  think you have hit the nail on the head, which is that possibly the club have gambled on promotion and no other result will do for the future of the club. As after all Notts were playing the entertaining football at home which Ray Trew said he wanted, but the manager providing it, and who was meant to be part of the new era at the club has been sacked.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Pies4u said:

It is mind boggling that anybody still tries to defend Moniz!  The clues have been there since his arrival - he was hopeless.

Some of his signings aren't even pub standard players and his inability to organise the team, get basic tactics and selections right or galvanise the players to give their all from the outset mark him out as one of the poorest managers we have had in the 50+ years I have been supporting Notts.

Playing decent for 10 - 20 minutes in a match doesn't cut the mustard, nor does it warrant the "best football seen in years" tag. Admittedly, we've been cr@p for most of the last 20 odd seasons, bar 2 notable exceptions but Moniz was a very poor manager and is unlikely to ever undertake such a role in this country again.  Good riddance. Now let's move forwards - for a change!

As I said before our home form was as good as second placed Northampton. Apologies if that is mind boggling.

Anyway it is all water under the bridge now, I hope that the new manager gets promotion. No other result is good enough.

Failed post - sorry folks...

Sadly, you have to play away from home too! Northampton don't gift goals away for fun, play like they couldn't care less in the opening quarter or have tripe like Swerts, Jenner, Smith, De Silva and a host of other pub players on their books!

Our home form can't mask the inadequacies - we've been cr@p in most home games too, careless, clumsy and ineffective far too often - but too many Nots fans are easily satisfied by tripe it would seem.  There are thousands staying away because we are cr@p. 

Mr Dwarf - how are you? I'll try and take your points in order.

Salford... Dreadful lost the game mentally before it started. This happens to all teams periodically, it's just that the best teams let it occur less often. @Blackville and I saw Gladbach beat Bayern 3-1 earlier this month at Borussia Park. Bayern lost the game mentally when they went one down by panicking for an early equaliser, all that happened was they left space for Gladbach to score 2 more in the next 10 minutes. 3-0 game over. Our players are 4th rate by definition, it's horrible to watch but it happens. I don't think it was due to 'losing' the dressing room.

Release Yates and keep Moniz, yes I would have tried it. No idea if it would have worked, but I would have gone for incremental changes not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

One major difference between top pros and 4th division ones is how they retain and implement the coach's instructions once the game has kicked off, see von Moltke - "No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy"

Totally agree with you on Branston and the 'panel'. I'd have got rid of them first - not the coach. Also agree about squad size. How many of those were down to Moniz - I've no idea?

Agree about defenders. Sack Yates and see of the new defensive coach gets the best out of them, working within Moniz's framework.

Players out of position - I agree. But did Moniz have the players he wanted for those positions?

Agree about Milsom instead of Smith (or CT), but that's just opinion!

We need to get rid of a lot of players before signing anyone who hasn't proven themselves, yet the first thing our next manager should do is try to sign Sheehan.

I hope whoever comes in wants to have full control over what happens. By all means have a transfer panel, I actually think it works provided the managers say is final. I can't help but feel we need not just someone who can control, mentor players and choose the right tactics but have a spine to say 'it's my way or not at all'.

 “Nothing is certain except death, taxes and Notts County sacking their manager.”

 Benjamin Franklin

apparently Mark cooper is holding talks with the club today or tomorrow I believe Leigh stated while we are also apprently going after Sheridan to