@NewNottsFan I think @Modern Fan 1862 ???? is writing with more emotion rather than clarity. Maybe the one point Modern Fan 1862 has raised is why players who have played in The Premiership, top Scottish leagues and the top French League seeks to abandon all footballing principles, in favour of a long ball game? The game has moved on from the old Wimbledon days of pressurised use of the long ball. Jamie always keeps on about being "effective" but we are not giving the opposition much to think about themselves. The 20 minutes initial success at York was more about York making mistakes rather than any telling offensive play by Notts

The OP raises an important point, but one that is not unique to Notts - in these days of transfer committees, football managers are no longer really "the boss" and the players know that. Experienced managers can command a level of respect that a rookie can't really expect.

I agree with @Modern Fan 1862 ????'s point about corners. Uncle Colin was in ecstacy in the first half, but then he's obsessed with corners. But winning 18 corners means absolutely nothing if you don't create anything from them!

@DangerousSausage The 18 corners were nearly all the same...no variety and Noble's dead ball ability was found wanting. However, Stanley can deliver a good dead ball, so we could have been 5 or 6 up and we would not be having this conversation

egxactly my point  you can have 50 corners 60 shots but say if only 5 are on target something is wrong.

and yes more emotion as it gets me so angry and mad 

@Modern Fan 1862 ????  ..... quite a few points in your last two posts so I'll try and answer them for you if I can?

My earlier posts was in response to your point about players playing at a higher level so let me explain.

1. When Fullarton played in Scotland it was a very different standard of league than it is today (and in recent years)

Here are some members of the Rangers squad from 2000 , the same period Fullarton was at Dundee United - Manager -Mr Advocaat (wouldnt let me post his first name), Tor andre flo ( just signed for £12 million ), Stefan Klos, Ronald de boer, Claudio Reina, Gio Van bronkhorst, Michael Mols, Arthur Numan, Tugay, Andre Kanchelskis, Fernando Ricksen, Kenny Miller, Peter Lovenkrands

and Celtic? - Manager Martin O'Neill, Alan Stubbs, Alan Thompson, Johan Mjallby, Eyal berkovic, Paul Lambert, Neil Lennon, Chris Sutton, Henrik Larsson, Shaun Maloney, Lubo Moravcik....my point? That league and the standard in 2000 - 2002 is a world away from todays Scottish league so I dont think the comparison is fair.. why? because you based your comparison on Curier ( 2008 season) , Robinson (2015 season) and Haynes (2014 season)

2. You dismiss the fact he played in the premier league but he did? doesn't mean he will walk in as you say 'and be like I'm the gaffer' but I'm just stating the facts

3. His managerial experience is well documented so I'm not entirely sure why you need me to go back over that?

4. What bizarre methods at Bolton? Look at the stats of the bolton development team around that time and you will see they are actually very good. The story about Fullarton being 'unpopular' came from a fans forum and not from the media or the club. This developed into some kind of  'bullying' rumour which has done the rounds when in fact Fullarton was brought in by Freedman to instill some standards in the development squad which he felt were lacking. This info is all out in the media if you choose to read it. He was not sacked for bullying, that is totally incorrect but left the club when Neil Lennon came in and wanted  his own staff. And for the record I've never said 'he's so damn good' only that people were sure he would get a chance in the game and hoped he did well.

5. I never stated that I have been to the game and haven't made any comment on performances so far so I have to respect your thoughts on that and hope it will improve.

6. former players didnt rate him? is that the players who were maybe told that they weren't ready for a first team start? not sure i'd be too happy with that news either

But going back to your earlier point about foreigners...I know there aren't any on the bench, I'm merely pointing out that I can't see a manager leaving anyone out because 'they aren't English'. I do think that the fans need to ask more of their local press though as these same questions keep coming up and none of these things are asked by them on fans behalf.

Tomorrow night is a bigger challenge than it might have been a week ago with a change in management at Hartlepool ( and Craig Hignett's assistant being Curtis Fleming who was Freedmans assistant at Bolton) so let's hope for a positive result 

Hope that all makes sense 

30 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

But going back to your earlier point about foreigners...I know there aren't any on the bench, I'm merely pointing out that I can't see a manager leaving anyone out because 'they aren't English'. I do think that the fans need to ask more of their local press though as these same questions keep coming up and none of these things are asked by them on fans behalf.

 

There is no hope of that. Colin is a Notts legend, but he spent half the last match thinking we were playing Morecambe. 

Leigh Curtis now seems to have out-sourced his journalism to the Trews and/or affiliates, and simply tows the line North Korea style. 

Just now, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

There is no hope of that. Colin is a Notts legend, but he spent half the last match thinking we were playing Morecambe. 

Leigh Curtis now seems to have out-sourced his journalism to the Trews and/or affiliates, and simply tows the line North Korea style. 

@Super_Danny_Allsopp  there was a guy from Radio there at the press thing? Jackson? I think its fair that the fans ask these questions or try and get them asked for them

 

6 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

@Super_Danny_Allsopp  there was a guy from Radio there at the press thing? Jackson? I think its fair that the fans ask these questions or try and get them asked for them

 

You're probably referring to Dean Jackson, the radio host. I don't know what 'press thing' he was at, but he's not normally.

10 minutes ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

There is no hope of that. Colin is a Notts legend, but he spent half the last match thinking we were playing Morecambe. 

Leigh Curtis now seems to have out-sourced his journalism to the Trews and/or affiliates, and simply tows the line North Korea style. 

Ridiculous comment. Curtis is a journo, and "The Trews  and/or affiliates" do not feed or control him in that manner.

@Super_Danny_Allsopp interviews pre York game on the Magpie Player?

 

Just now, erindoors said:

Ridiculous comment. Curtis is a journo, and "The Trews  and/or affiliates" do not feed or control him in that manner.

Not ridiculous. Hence the word 'seems'. I obviously don't think that you write his articles for him, only that the way he is now writing it SEEMS as if you do. 

2 minutes ago, NewNottsFan said:

@Super_Danny_Allsopp interviews pre York game on the Magpie Player?

 

right you are, thought you were referring to the post match. 

Just now, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

Not ridiculous. Hence the word 'seems'. I obviously don't think that you write his articles for him, only that the way he is now writing it SEEMS as if you do. 

well, it "seems" like you are totally wrong. 

5 minutes ago, erindoors said:

well, it "seems" like you are totally wrong. 

Whilst that was never my original point, I'm glad you confirmed that you indeed don't write his articles. 

Maybe if you did, a defence who just leaked 2 goals and got beat against the leagues worst club would not receive an average rating of 7. 

2 hours ago, NewNottsFan said:

@Modern Fan 1862 ????  ..... quite a few points in your last two posts so I'll try and answer them for you if I can?

My earlier posts was in response to your point about players playing at a higher level so let me explain.

1. When Fullarton played in Scotland it was a very different standard of league than it is today (and in recent years)

Here are some members of the Rangers squad from 2000 , the same period Fullarton was at Dundee United - Manager -Mr Advocaat (wouldnt let me post his first name), Tor andre flo ( just signed for £12 million ), Stefan Klos, Ronald de boer, Claudio Reina, Gio Van bronkhorst, Michael Mols, Arthur Numan, Tugay, Andre Kanchelskis, Fernando Ricksen, Kenny Miller, Peter Lovenkrands

and Celtic? - Manager Martin O'Neill, Alan Stubbs, Alan Thompson, Johan Mjallby, Eyal berkovic, Paul Lambert, Neil Lennon, Chris Sutton, Henrik Larsson, Shaun Maloney, Lubo Moravcik....my point? That league and the standard in 2000 - 2002 is a world away from todays Scottish league so I dont think the comparison is fair.. why? because you based your comparison on Curier ( 2008 season) , Robinson (2015 season) and Haynes (2014 season)

2. You dismiss the fact he played in the premier league but he did? doesn't mean he will walk in as you say 'and be like I'm the gaffer' but I'm just stating the facts

3. His managerial experience is well documented so I'm not entirely sure why you need me to go back over that?

4. What bizarre methods at Bolton? Look at the stats of the bolton development team around that time and you will see they are actually very good. The story about Fullarton being 'unpopular' came from a fans forum and not from the media or the club. This developed into some kind of  'bullying' rumour which has done the rounds when in fact Fullarton was brought in by Freedman to instill some standards in the development squad which he felt were lacking. This info is all out in the media if you choose to read it. He was not sacked for bullying, that is totally incorrect but left the club when Neil Lennon came in and wanted  his own staff. And for the record I've never said 'he's so damn good' only that people were sure he would get a chance in the game and hoped he did well.

5. I never stated that I have been to the game and haven't made any comment on performances so far so I have to respect your thoughts on that and hope it will improve.

6. former players didnt rate him? is that the players who were maybe told that they weren't ready for a first team start? not sure i'd be too happy with that news either

But going back to your earlier point about foreigners...I know there aren't any on the bench, I'm merely pointing out that I can't see a manager leaving anyone out because 'they aren't English'. I do think that the fans need to ask more of their local press though as these same questions keep coming up and none of these things are asked by them on fans behalf.

Tomorrow night is a bigger challenge than it might have been a week ago with a change in management at Hartlepool ( and Craig Hignett's assistant being Curtis Fleming who was Freedmans assistant at Bolton) so let's hope for a positive result 

Hope that all makes sense 

okay he played premier league Roy Carroll has played and Alan smith at a club that is probaly one of the biggest in the world of football .

And second josh vela if you ever watched josh vela when he played at Notts he was a battling solid centre mid.

Who was been chased by Cardiff for a 5M fee a belive and for him to tweet all I'm gonna say is good luck says something about his ability of the job.

And we'll tell me one foreigner who makes the bench ? none I ain't been funny but the bloke is deluded if he's played in the premier league how can he be so blind then.

He thought we played well against York and dominated the game ???????? if we lose tomrrow I reckon Itl be the same crap interview same written speeche 

Id do anything for a Martin Oniel 

If he's a high rated coach I'm Jose mourinho cause if high rated football is sit back defend for 90 mins hoof the ball a 10 year old could do that job