Sam Allardyce as Wales Manager?

[Robbie]

"Sam Allardyce doubles down on Wales manager job as legend agrees to join coaching staff".

"Sam Allardyce has confirmed that he'd be interested in Wales' managerial job - with a former player of his agreeing to join his coaching staff".

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sam-allardyce-wales-manager-job-29403660

[Wheelbarrow repair man]

Well they could do a Lot worse @Robbie. It would be interesting to see how Wales performed under a Allardyce Leadership. Compared to England, Wales haven't got a line up of Star Players to rely on, and it would be down to a Manager to enforce his Will Personality and Experience on the Players he as available, and Big Sam has all that in Bucket Loads. And Providing the Welsh F.A. are only interested in Success and will allow Allardyce to run the team his way with No Interference then there's No Reason why Wales Shouldn't Enjoy Success, because Big Sam will mould the Welsh Lads into a Team who play together and for Each Other, unlike the Individuals in the England Team.

[Robbie]

I agree @Wheelbarrow repair man If the Welsh FA appointed Big Sam I'm very sure he would do a good job for them and maybe get them to the World Cup Finals in 2026.

I'm sure that he would get the maximum out of the available players that he would have at his disposal.

There will be some running the Welsh game that may have some misgivings about appointing Sam because of the way he is, but if they take him on, I'm sure they wouldn't be disappointed.

We'll just have to see how this plays out.

[CliftonMagpie]

He may well stay at the helm for a longer duration than his stint with England, but I’m not convinced he’ll achieve as much success as he could have with the Three Lions. That being said, I believe it would be a beneficial appointment for Wales, as long as he remains focused on training and game preparation, rather than being distracted by other matters.

[Piethagoram]

Wales should steer well clear of Big Sam. We all benefited when Big Sam left the England role and the national side progressed under a proper footballing coach rather than a set piece specialist who offered nothing new.

[Wheelbarrow repair man]

@Piethagoram

You're having a Laugh. Really your Not Serious are you? Big Sam vs Gareth Southgate. A Manager with Sam's record at Club Level against somebody who's Management credentials were managing Middlesbrough, and some success with the England Under 21 side. And didn't Big Sam do rather well at Meadow Lane, or has that Slipped your Memory?

[Piethagoram]

16 minutes ago, Wheelbarrow repair man said:

And didn't Big Sam do rather well at Meadow Lane, or has that Slipped your Memory?

Integrity @Wheelbarrow repair man... He has none, never forgave him the way he left Notts 

 

[Robbie]

Exactly @Wheelbarrow repair man 

Big Sam is a legend at Notts, because he lead Notts to promotion as champions of Division Three at the end of the 1997–98 season, built upon a three-man defence and a mid-season run of ten consecutive wins.

Notts broke several club & national records, winning the title by a 19 point margin & becoming the first post-war side to win promotion in March.

(Source Google)

And ever since that success Big Sam has always been in demand and has never had a problem getting a Managerial position in the years since his time at Notts.

[Piethagoram]

@Robbie @Wheelbarrow repair man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_English_football_scandal

Never whitewash over the truth I say!

[Wheelbarrow repair man]

@Piethagoram

Entrapment by the Gutter Press and was Cleared Of Any Wrong Doings. Regarding leaving Notts didn't  Big Sam's wife a lot to do with that, wishing to return to live in the North ? Happy Wife  Happy Life.

[menzinho]

I think Wales have become a bit of a victim of their own success given they had a good spell for a few years. Prior to that they were rubbish and hadn't qualified for a major tournament since the 50s! Wales were fortunate to have a very talent group of core players a few years ago, when they got to the semis of Euro 2016. Wayne Hennessey, Ashley Williams, Ben Davies, James Collins and Joe Allen were all Prem regulars. And with Ramsey and Bale you had two incredibly good match winning players.

Their squad isn’t as good now, that’s just how it goes in international football and I think whoever the manager is they'd do well to qualify for the World Cup. Would I pick Big Sam though, probably not by all accounts Rob Page was very defensive and I’m not sure that would change under Big Sam.

[Robbie]

47 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

@Robbie @Wheelbarrow repair man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_English_football_scandal

Never whitewash over the truth I say!

If one reads the link all the way through 

Big Sam was cleared of any wrongdoing.

Nothing to see here.

[Robbie]

9 minutes ago, menzinho said:

Would I pick Big Sam though, probably not by all accounts 

Would you have picked Big Sam to manage Notts when they did in 1997?

[liampie]

i think its a desperate move on part of wales, they have some very good players but as a squad they are weaker than scotland. they would do better if they hired someone who knows the welsh game, someone like mark hughes or tony pullis.

1 hour ago, Wheelbarrow repair man said:

@Piethagoram

You're having a Laugh. Really your Not Serious are you? Big Sam vs Gareth Southgate. A Manager with Sam's record at Club Level against somebody who's Management credentials were managing Middlesbrough, and some success with the England Under 21 side. And didn't Big Sam do rather well at Meadow Lane, or has that Slipped your Memory?

i think most would identify gareth southgate as being the better coach, he falls short in the manager department but as a coach he is clearly wise beyond his years. big sam in more into strong management, being organised and building a team that is together in spirit. a lot less on the coaching, but he has the better record in the game. it does not necessarily mean hes better all round.

50 minutes ago, Wheelbarrow repair man said:

@Piethagoram

Entrapment by the Gutter Press and was Cleared Of Any Wrong Doings. Regarding leaving Notts didn't  Big Sam's wife a lot to do with that, wishing to return to live in the North ? Happy Wife  Happy Life.

gutter press yes, but he knew what he was doing and what he did was morally wrong. you dont get caught doing something like this and not hurt your reputation. the fact he knew how to bend things and that he was advising ways around it, its very dubious. hes lucky that hes smart enough to know how legally speak about the methods without incriminating himself properly.

34 minutes ago, Robbie said:

If one reads the link all the way through 

Big Sam was cleared of any wrongdoing.

Nothing to see here.

because he only spoke about 'ways' around breaking the laws, the fact he was advising someone and knew how suggests that he breached the trust of his then position, tried to advice on unfair advantages and derogatory comments towards others in football. morally and ethically, he did wrong. if a person was to talk about ways of how you could get away with murder, just as advice, how would you possibly trust them?

[DangerousSausage]

Winning the fourth division title in 1998 doesn't make someone a good choice to manage a national team in 2024. Likewise, being a club manager and a national team coach are totally different jobs. England have often fallen into the trap of appointing coaches with successful club careers without considering whether they'd be suitable for the different requirements of the national team.

I totally agree with @liampie here, but having said all that I'd still be very intrigued to see how he does. 

[menzinho]

1 hour ago, Robbie said:

Would you have picked Big Sam to manage Notts when they did in 1997?

Given that I was a toddler in 97, I’d have questioned why they were asking me! But by all accounts, he did well at Blackpool before so I wouldn’t have been against the idea. That is nearly 30 years ago though and is he as good as he once was, that’s the real issue for me.

[Robbie]

@DangerousSausage

Big Sam has 33 years experience in Football Management throughout the Football league included managing Premier League players as well as EFL players.

His knowledge would be so valuable as an international coach.

And don't forget, a Manager of an international side has a team of coaches working for him, so I think Big Sam could be successful with managing a team of coaches overseeing a national side.

The England side is clearly lacking motivation and all the coaching skills in the World can't motivate players, but some Managers can, and I believe Big Sam is one of those managers.

[Wheelbarrow repair man]

@Robbie

It would seem that it does not matter how successful Big Sam as been or how much Experience he's has it seems that people can Not Forget the Scandal which he was involved with, (regardless of being him Acquitted)  still hold the view that he shouldn't be granted another chance. If you want to talk about Corruption in Football Look No Further Than Sepp Blatter. Now there is a Criminal getting backhanders from World Football Governing Bodies, Royal Families and other Countries Governments.

Anyway I'm wondering off the subject. As you have stated Big Sam will have a coaching staff around him should he take the Welsh job to help him with the running of the Squad. One Thing that Big Sam has that Southgate Doesn't is Man management skills and an incredible way of making Poor Players into Average Players, Average Players into Good Players and Good Players into Star players. He can make Players Gel  Turn them into a United Group who believe in themselves and in Each Other. Look how many times he's saved teams from Relegation by giving players that belief.

And Southgate? Well as soon as his England Coaching Days are over (please make it after this tournament) what will happen? he'll probably get offered a Couple of Coaching roles somewhere. But I think eventually he'll get a Job at the B.B.C as a Pundit. They seem to Hire Any Old Rubbish.

[CliftonMagpie]

I believe we shouldn’t distinguish between different types of wrongdoings. Big Sam has indeed suffered from the incident. I’m not opposed to his hiring, but I don’t believe he’s the right fit for Wales. His trust in football can only be regained by focusing on what he brings to a club or nation. However, his limited opportunities speak volumes. Sepp Blatter’s situation is different and arguably more corrupt. Yet, it’s undeniable that Sam’s actions cost him the England job when he was at the pinnacle of his managerial career. He lost it due to greed and dubious behaviour. I sincerely hope he has learned his lesson.

[Robbie]

@Wheelbarrow repair man

Found this on Sam's Wiki page and I quote.

"Some analysts have labelled Allardyce a long ball manager, though he has disputed this perception as "totally & utterly wrong." He takes a modern technology & statistics-centred approach to tactics & coaching & has been praised for his organisational & man-management skills".

I think he has learned a lot over his 33 years of Football management and people do change.

I can remember being upset when Warnock left Notts, I was upset when Big Sam left, the same feeling when Luke left, I'm not quite over Luke leaving yet, but I will be sooner, rather than later.

All three are legends as far as I'm concerned.

I would also like to thank all PON members who have contributed with different opinions on this subject.

We may see things differently on occasions but we always respect everyone else's view. That's what makes our community special.

[Wheelbarrow repair man]

@Robbie

This is what I mean an awful lot of Fans are under the I illusion that Managers such as Big Sam and Neil Warnock despite their Massive experience  at  Club Management level, Can Not Adopt to the Modern Game. Really? The Strange thing is when a Club is in Trouble and face Relegation, it's this type of Manager/Head Coach they turn to and once they achieve Safety, they're usually Let Go.

And Fans Moan they're only in it for the Money, regardless of them Saving their Club from Going Down. If they're offered a good wage then they are going to take up the Offer after all if you're Good At Something Never Do It For Free.  Look at David Moyes saves West Ham from the drop, gets the Hammers regular top Half Finishes in the Premier League, qualifies for Europe three seasons in succession, Wins West Ham a Trophy for the first time in 43 years and he's Sacked. Why? They don't like the way his Team Play Football. The Mind Boggles. Apologies for going slightly off Topic.

 

[liampie]

i still dont see him being suited to wales, that is nothing against his management style but if he is to return to management. he needs to find a league team that he can build and stick around with. did he takeover mark hughes at blackburn? if i am right he did okay with them but he has never come close to repeating his success at bolton.