8 hours ago, tarquinbeech said: Mr and Mrs T are nice people.....but unfortunately I think people have just had enough......yet another joke manager, terrible performance....even looking at it on a computer screen from Mexico.....another £50 lost backing Notts....totally wasted day.....goodnight

I'm interested to know , was he a 'joke manager' after Tuesday night ? Or just after yesterday ? 

If they had won yesterday then was he still a joke manager ? I understand the disappointment yesterday but the reaction from some is hugely knee jerk and over the top .. And some of it quite personal which is a bit unnecessary 

Nobody is a 'joke' manager, I agree.

But, I don't want to pay to watch his team play at home if the last two games are anything to go by. I want entertainment first, and wins second. JF is failing on both at present. I don't go to away games very often, so Tuesday is much less important to me than yesterday.

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29 minutes ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

The issue is you think this is knee jerk because your view extends only back to when JF was appointed.

This is more like the straw that broke the camels back. As I've said, feel sorry for JF, because he's just the puppet that's happened to be put there when the camels back finally gave way. 

My view does extend back to then , you are spot on...and its because of that timescale that I'm surprised at some of the vitriol so early on in a young managers career

Like I say, knowing about the lad is why I feel I wanted to bring balance where I think its needed and I'll keep doing it.

I said it before the game that I was apprehensive about the game , and the 'performance' unfortunately brought about exactly what I worried about but the level of abuse, and it is abuse,  (not on here by the way) has been quite alarming.

What I can tell you is that Fullarton is no puppet, he's put the hard miles into his career and his coaching and knows the game so he won't be naïve enough to expect a walk in the park from fans and will know that performances will have to improve at home.

When you get journalists who interview him after the game, say that they were shocked at the abuse, then that tells you something.

Fans on FB posting that they will never support him unless they are in the top 6? I mean how do you possibly satisfy that given the league position he took over?

Hey , a bad day at work yesterday but I'll still be there for the Bristol Rovers game.

Tuesday night awaits and I hope he gets the reaction he needs from the players....and fans

35 minutes ago, ivansneck said:

 

I'm interested to know , was he a 'joke manager' after Tuesday night ? Or just after yesterday ? 

If they had won yesterday then was he still a joke manager ? I understand the disappointment yesterday but the reaction from some is hugely knee jerk and over the top .. And some of it quite personal which is a bit unnecessary 

Nobody is a 'joke' manager, I agree.

But, I don't want to pay to watch his team play at home if the last two games are anything to go by. I want entertainment first, and wins second. JF is failing on both at present. I don't go to away games very often, so Tuesday is much less important to me than yesterday.

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Yeah cant disagree and the home performances haven't been good enough, I think he was honest yesterday and didn't hide from that.

 

Some interesting views from SlockNCFC16 on another board...

The thing is, I already feel like I have given JF enough chances. The two home games and the game away at York which I attended have largely been exactly the same with no improvement whatsoever. It isn't even that he's getting things wrong, although he is getting things wrong; It's that I don't really fancy making the effort to watch a JF team at Meadow Lane that's going to be bereft of any kind of excitement or flair and will instead be content at one shot on target in 90 minutes. What kind of football is he getting us to play? Because if it's setting us up not to lose every week, and 0-0 is seen as a positive, then I won't be going even if we do play the way he wants us to play and scrap the odd tedious win.

Remember too that he could change things, he has options in Aborah, Burke, Campbell (for more than 5-10 minutes in a game) and Snijders to name a few, but instead he persists with the defensive Smith (who is also past it) and Thompson in midfield which leaves us far too deep and the strikers isolated while Noble is wasted on the wing, leaving us hoofing the ball up front in a totally predictable manner that makes us very easy to defend against and reduces our 150k striker in Mcleod to chasing the ball and jumping for headers as if he's playing in Sunday League. This is all Fullarton's fault, not ours as fans. I for one don't blame people who refuse to get behind the manager having seen all of this.

Under Moniz, I was frustrated by our defensive shortcomings but I was at least entertained at Meadow Lane by some good attacking play and by the odd pass or bit of skill from Aborah that brought a smile to my face and made me feel like it was worth coming and paying for my ticket. In contrast, I have yet to be entertained by JF in 3 full games now. The same pattern of hope, irritation, anger, depression and resignation to defeat has occurred in every case. Until Fullarton gives himself a chance by playing players at home that would get us on the attack, I will not be bothering again until he is gone, which he will be sooner or later if we don't improve.

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and from Pieinthesky...

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Yesterday at this time I was looking forward to my usual 120 mile trip to the match - 9 points out of 15 - it seemed a good start for Jamie Fullarton. Yes, I was disappointed that Stanley was not playing and that for whatever reason there had been some late team changes but I was hopeful. It was noticeable though that there was was little atmosphere in the stadium at the start, fans seemed on tender hooks and with little positive support it's not surprising that the players never seemed to get going, fearing a backlash for mistakes.

Half time came and let's be honest it was poor from both sides but the vitriol and hostility that emerged on the terraces in the second half was totally out of order. To be honest by the end I was utterly ashamed and embarrassed to be a Notts supporter and I say this after over 50 years of often long distance support - never have I felt so low travelling home. We have to give JF and the team a chance; he is the manager and deserves support during the game not the insults and ridicule so prevalent now in society if people don't get their own way. Protest against the Board if you wish before and after the game but for the manager and players to be taking such flack during the game is way out of order in my opinion. Continue in this way and our club will take years to recover from such hostility.

No wonder we have been playing better away from home.

Very sad times indeed.
 

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The key is in the latter post...we have to give JF a chance... However despite his grounding in the game, I find it difficult to reconcile hoofball to a man grounded in the upper echelons of how the game can be played at the top level. I would like to think there is a Fergie in there somewhere but even Fergie realised that he needed the creativity and unpredictability of a player like Scanlon when he was at Aberdeen. 

Maybe Smith is influencing Jamie too much by demanding to play? We need a midfield carrier to link play which we dont have in the current formation. It may work away from home but as yesterday proved, you need to be on the front foot at home to take the game to the opposition. Yesterday we were far too negative because of that set up.

 

 

For various reasons I can't go to Accrington or Plymouth, and I'm abroad for the Daggers home games. My attendance at the Bristol R game depends on the performances in the previous 3 games.

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Firstly, when I said it was a "joke appointment", I meant in the eyes of most fans.

We were all busily discussing the pros and cons of "actual" current managers that were in the frame. most people, after JF was appointed, said...."who??"

I will alter "joke" to "total bemusement" if you like......but that still doesn't alter the facts......we won at Crawley, after being 2nd best for most of the game, from a wonder-strike by a guy that was immediately dropped and never selected again!!....a bit odd that....obviously scoring goals is not in the current masterplan.

We beat the bottom-club York by one goal, after squandering a 2-goal lead......and yesterday, our first shot on goal was on 46 minutes!!

No, I don't condone abuse towards Mrs T.....if I was in the UK, I would just not bother going to matches for a while until things improve....oh dear, apparently that might make me "not a true supporter"

17 hours ago, Super_Danny_Allsopp said:

Well it's nice to hear that the clubs owners think we are 'morons' and 'scummy xxxxx'. Plus one of their children was all over FB after the game abusing supports.

All makes for a very dark day at ML. I would like to say I didn't see it coming, but its kind of predictable. 

quick to judge, eh? Its not true, believe the rumours, or me, as you wish. And please keep my 11 year old son out of this. He made a couple of posts in response to what he saw, heard in person and read.  Makes it a dark day indeed when adults are so keen to start picking on young kids to satisfy their anger.

i find it all sad and unnecessary myself.

@erindoors will the club be restricting fans freely walking near the main reception after games in the future?

3 hours ago, NewNottsFan said:

I'm interested to know , was he a 'joke manager' after Tuesday night ? Or just after yesterday ? 

If they had won yesterday then was he still a joke manager ? I understand the disappointment yesterday but the reaction from some is hugely knee jerk and over the top .. And some of it quite personal which is a bit unnecessary 

give it a rest will you did you watch the Hartlepool highlights ? if paynter scores from1  yard we lose .

York took us to the cleaners in the second half Wimbledon destroyed us at home we had 1 shot on target yesterday to a team as bad as us.

They made 2-3 subs in minutes to go for it we made one sub after they scored and took off noble for Campbell ?

I have nothing against you at all just sometimes I'm not sure what game you watch we were poor and we didn't look like we were gonna create a thing 

Firstly any abuse of any child is adhorent in any walk of life.

Secondly abuse of anyone is disgusting.

Ignoring the abuse for this point if we can....

Do you understand our annoyance, anger and frustration that we pay good money to watch the most negative tactics and attackingly bereft football we have seen since 2002. The big difference this season is that we have options yet JF won't use any of Moniz signings, strangely.

reasons why he is a joke manager 

 

1 we play so defensive at home it's pathetic.

2 we wait til the opposition scores then take off one of our scorin midfielders noble for Campbell.

3 Stands with hands in pockets and has no solution.

4 Drops Stanley and he can't deny it now as Stanley has himself told the fans he is fit and isn't bein picked.

5 Plays hoofball tactics 

6 Accringhton and Plymouth are going to be very Intresting 

Firstly any abuse of any child is adhorent in any walk of life.

Secondly abuse of anyone is disgusting.

Ignoring the abuse for this point if we can....

Do you understand our annoyance, anger and frustration that we pay good money to watch the most negative tactics and attackingly bereft football we have seen since 2002. The big difference this season is that we have options yet JF won't use any of Moniz signings, strangely.

I take it you forget we were terrible for years before the muto dodgyness, but I agree we have a far better team than the likes of the rubbish in 2008

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1 hour ago, ohstanleyaborah said:

I take it you forget we were terrible for years before the muto dodgyness, but I agree we have a far better team than the likes of the rubbish in 2008

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If you think 2008 was bad you should really talk to people who saw the early 2000's, utter utter rubbish

1 hour ago, Modern Fan 1862 ???? said:

give it a rest will you did you watch the Hartlepool highlights ? if paynter scores from1  yard we lose .

York took us to the cleaners in the second half Wimbledon destroyed us at home we had 1 shot on target yesterday to a team as bad as us.

They made 2-3 subs in minutes to go for it we made one sub after they scored and took off noble for Campbell ?

I have nothing against you at all just sometimes I'm not sure what game you watch we were poor and we didn't look like we were gonna create a thing 

Give what a rest?......Newsflash for you MF...Paynter didn't score and Notts won the game ...what kind of logic is that? so if there wasn't a goal line clearance against York then Notts might have won that game? but they didn't...you can only deal with facts.

My point is calling someone a joke after such a short time and , as I keep telling you, I have not once commented on the performances as I haven't seen them but only went on highlights and radio so far...in fact , if anything , I've agreed that the home performances in particular aren't good enough but its not rocket science to spot that

The Aborah thing will become clear I'm sure but I would suggest that a manager cant be at total odds with a crowd who rate the guy

To be honest, I'm just really saddened by some fans reactions and behaviour yesterday to players and staff as its not helpful or acceptable...and that's coming from all sources including fans and media

You seem to find only negatives , even in three points at Hartlepool, which is a shame and clearly we don't agree on many things so I'll keep making my points and you keep making yours. Happy to debate and happy to post on here and lets hope for a positive on Tuesday

@Northants Pie Hey I get it , especially at home and I'm sure the manager does too and I hope it gets addressed.

It was the abuse yesterday which I think wasn't merited and a situation , in my view , that would be hugely challenging for any manager never mind a guy whos been at the club for 6 games ...and only his second at home.

So imagine you are Fullarton...you have won 3 out of 5 games, just won during the week and after 10 mins at 0 - 0 the fans are giving you pelters? not the away fans ...the home fans?

I am not defending the performance ...how could I? and yes, you pay your money , you get your say ...I just don't agree with how some fans went about that yesterday... They seem to have more negatives songs prepared for him than positives (even back to pre-Luton) which I think is a shame.

JF brought in Banton and he seemed one small positive yesterday but amongst everything else it doesn't seem a great deal