21 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

Have you changed your thinking as to how to set up teams away from home?

As FC Eindhoven have won only 3 of their 11 away matches conceding 28 goals along the way, I'd suggest the answer to that is "no"!

I enjoyed watching Aborah on the occasions when I saw him play, but in spite of his talent he seldom stays anywhere for more than a season and there's probably a reason for that. Good luck to him nonetheless.

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

Sorry @Elite_pie "most overrated player I've seen..."???, I respond with Hackworthless, Caskey, amongst others.... So in the midst of our long losing run, you still preferred our other creativeless ordinary midfielders? Even you begrudgingly acknowledged Stan's ability to suck in opposition players when he was in possession on a prior thread. The appalling home form since Moniz's leaving without Stan playing IS NOT A COINCIDENCE.

In hindsight, the removal of Ricardo was Raymundo's worst decision..No wonder Stan threw his toys out of the pram when The Undertaker was appointed, with his coffinesque brand of football.

Much that I agree with 99% of @Elite_pie's musings, he is just so wrong on Stan ????

The "overrated" tag is based on some of laughable descriptions I read on Aborah, such as "by far the best midfielder outside the Championship"!  He did a few fancy turns, created next to nothing and thought tracking back was beneath him.  There is a reason no Notts manager since Moniz has selected him, and no manager anywhere has wanted to sign him - he's an overrated show pony whose negatives far outweigh his positives.

2 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

@Northants Pie Really would be interesting to interview Ricardo.....

Questions needed to be asked:

Why was your previous coaching job at 1860 Munich so short?

What was your working relationship with Kevan and Yates like?

Were there obvious frictions in the Transfer Committee especially with Brano?

What was the database like of scouting like when you first arrived?

On reflection do you think you were too loyal in bringing in former players that you have managed and should have been more focused on identifying players say in Poland/ Hungary that had played well against your team?

Have you changed your thinking as to how to set up teams away from home?

 

 

I was thinking more along the lines off, are Guy & Ray the bellends we all think they are?

1 hour ago, Elite_pie said:

The "overrated" tag is based on some of laughable descriptions I read on Aborah, such as "by far the best midfielder outside the Championship"!  He did a few fancy turns, created next to nothing and thought tracking back was beneath him.  There is a reason no Notts manager since Moniz has selected him, and no manager anywhere has wanted to sign him - he's an overrated show pony whose negatives far outweigh his positives.

How come he created so much for Moniz then? 

I suppose it comes down to what you want in a player? Talent and skill or just energy?

If he'd have played alongside Neal Bishop then we would have been able to see his full potential, so many times he got the ball then had to turn back as his fellow players weren't quick enough in thought 

57 minutes ago, Northants Pie said:

How come he created so much for Moniz then? 

He didn't.  Under Moniz he scored ONE goal and created ONE goal.

And that was his 'good' spell!

anyone could argue the point about his ability or lack of it.

hes gone now and i hope we can replace his quality with someone who nolan likes and can mould into a more suitable player. i like stanley aborah and i really dont think life is always one sided, people may not like because he wanted to play but that does not answer why we did not play him or why he was not released sooner.

if he was a bad egg why did the trews allow him to stay? after his interview i bet they wanted to get rid.

3 hours ago, Elite_pie said:

He didn't.  Under Moniz he scored ONE goal and created ONE goal.

And that was his 'good' spell!

And I thought you had a good appreciation for the game, so his contribution and anyone elses for that matter can only be judged by how many passes lead directly to goals?

11 hours ago, Piethagoram said:

@Northants Pie Really would be interesting to interview Ricardo.....

Questions needed to be asked:

Why was your previous coaching job at 1860 Munich so short?

What was your working relationship with Kevan and Yates like?

Were there obvious frictions in the Transfer Committee especially with Brano?

What was the database like of scouting like when you first arrived?

On reflection do you think you were too loyal in bringing in former players that you have managed and should have been more focused on identifying players say in Poland/ Hungary that had played well against your team?

Have you changed your thinking as to how to set up teams away from home?

 

 

I can answer the first one as a '60' fan. The club was in turmoil behind the scenes (and still is). Nobody stays long there at the moment - except the fans...

4 hours ago, Northants Pie said:

And I thought you had a good appreciation for the game, so his contribution and anyone elses for that matter can only be judged by how many passes lead directly to goals?

No, I've explained many times why I saw him as a waste of a shirt.  I realise I'm in a minority of one on here in not singing his praises, but just have a read of what Kevin Nolan has to say about his departure.

I took some stick on here some time ago about Aborah and I for one think Notts will fair much better without him.

A poisonous influence and also an individual who was disingenuous with the fans at Meadow Lane which I thought was unforgivable 

Its easy to tell fans who support the players about what a great guy you are, how much you want to play and how much you love the club ...but its an entirely different matter convincing managers, staff and players who see you every day...and more importantly , see your attitude ( or lack of it)

He let JF down badly even though the manager tried to protect him and the fans , at the time, decided to side with Aborah and I get why...I really do

Events since then have shown Aborah for what he is , surplus, a luxury and not a team player.

Notts need all hands to the wheel now more than ever , Aborah wasn't and isnt interested in doing the hard yards so farewell to him.

For those who didnt believe JF back then, listen to the words of Kevin Nolan about Aborah and ask yourself once more ....what reason would fullarton have to lie at a time when he needed his 'best' players? (and dont say fullarton didnt want to play football)

Bye Bye Stanley , you're someone elses issue now , I think Notts are well shot ..onwards and upwards !

@NewNottsFan Always good to have your input from north of the border. JF certainly didn't do anything to help himself in the media stakes. Valencic scored a humdinger in JF's maybe first game, only to be dropped without any explanation. JF needed to be more streetwise and perhaps say, well you better ask Stan directly why he isn't playing? I don't buy into "protecting the players"... Something needed to be said and it wasn't. The whole saga got out of hand, no wonder the Supporters sided with Stan, as JF's post match interviews showed no respect to the Supporters into any analysis of what had been witnessed... It was a never ending record of "back to the training field"

Brilliant exchange between @NewNottsFan and @Piethagoram (who's mentioned what I was going to add).

Aborah is one of them the right manager will understand how to get the most out of, Ian McParland recently told me a story about Neal Bishop (nothing negative). However he mentioned that players have their roles, he did also mention earlier that Aborah is the type of player who gets people sacked. I suppose to a sense it's true, however this would highlight weak management in my opinion or at least an inability to work with strong minded or just plain awkward players.

He wants to play, simple as that - I'm not sure why there's been comments about him refusing to play (not seen that anywhere).

A manager selects the players who will do what they want or feel they will carry out their instructions to their best ability - Shaun Derry made it clear he would rid Notts of these types (before Aborah) and I said back then he would have to learn to work with 'em. The same can be applied to Jamie Fullarton and John Sheridan. If JF only uses players that respects him or looks up to him as a manager (not to be personal) - yet I doubt they'd be any good regardless.

It's best since he hasn't featured much that he leaves, yet we as a club will have to find and make use of players who aren't easy to manage.

Payet seemed very disrespectful to West Ham but he wanted out, I'm not sure Aborah wanted out of Notts or if he had of been playing. Could he have helped more this season? I don't know but I stand my ground about thinking he would be better with more quality around him.

5 hours ago, notts-joe said:

Brilliant exchange between @NewNottsFan and @Piethagoram (who's mentioned what I was going to add).

Aborah is one of them the right manager will understand how to get the most out of, Ian McParland recently told me a story about Neal Bishop (nothing negative). However he mentioned that players have their roles, he did also mention earlier that Aborah is the type of player who gets people sacked. I suppose to a sense it's true, however this would highlight weak management in my opinion or at least an inability to work with strong minded or just plain awkward players.

He wants to play, simple as that - I'm not sure why there's been comments about him refusing to play (not seen that anywhere).

A manager selects the players who will do what they want or feel they will carry out their instructions to their best ability - Shaun Derry made it clear he would rid Notts of these types (before Aborah) and I said back then he would have to learn to work with 'em. The same can be applied to Jamie Fullarton and John Sheridan. If JF only uses players that respects him or looks up to him as a manager (not to be personal) - yet I doubt they'd be any good regardless.

It's best since he hasn't featured much that he leaves, yet we as a club will have to find and make use of players who aren't easy to manage.

Payet seemed very disrespectful to West Ham but he wanted out, I'm not sure Aborah wanted out of Notts or if he had of been playing. Could he have helped more this season? I don't know but I stand my ground about thinking he would be better with more quality around him.

I would hope that a manger can get something out of Aborah as its never good to see any professional wasting ability, however, its clear to see that all managers at ML since Moniz have found his attitude lacking or he , if his ability isn't in question, would have started on a regular basis ...it really is that simple.

The fact remains that he has made limited starts at every club he has been at , not just Notts, and that tells a story of a player who wont put a shift in or has other issues.

I'm a fan and I'll take someone with limited ability who will run through a wall for me rather than a talent who will turn up when it suits them.

Football fans pay to get entertained.... but they also want to see players who care about the club they love and will give as much as effort as the fans would if they got the opportunity to pull their clubs strip on themselves.

Every player has a chance to make the most of what gifts, fitness, attitude, charisma, strength they have ...Aborah unfortunately didn't make the most of his which is a shame but there is light on the horizon for Notts right now, no point looking back ...its the players at ML who need support now , not ones who didn't contribute during the tough times

No doubt in my mind that he was the most skillful player at Notts and Moniz used him in a way to get the most out of him. I remember the way he was running the show against Plymouth (even though we were behind) until he got dropped into the back four late on.

I look at him now and think that we did not have (recruit) the players around him in order to get the best out of him under subsequent managers. It showed up his unwillingness to track back, which left massive holes in the midfield and also that he wasn't direct, or willing (able) to release the ball quick enough.

I love ball carrying midfielders who are direct and forward thinking, he wasn't that for me. I have no doubt though that he would have done very well in Keith Curle's side as he would have been a massive upgrade on Boucaud and he would have had Bishop in the same side to do the donkey work.

 

This is Nolan's summary of the situation:

New boss Nolan revealed he had seen enough of Aborah in the three weeks he has been in charge to know that it was not going to work out.  "Stanley has been here for a long time, if you look at his record, he hasn't had a great deal of games before I came in.  He has fluttered about a lot of clubs in a lot of years.  If I am being honest, I thought his training and the way he carries himself didn't suit me as a man.  For me it was better that Stan and I parted ways.  He's a lovely fella, but there were numerous opportunities when I asked a bit more from him and I just feel he didn't take it on board.  He wasn't someone I wanted to continue to work with”.

All very polite on the face of it, but in reality a pretty damning analysis on the character (or lack of it) of Stanley Aborah.  It doesn't take much reading between the lines to realise he's really saying "Aborah is a misfit who refuses to give 100%.  That's why he never lasts very long anywhere."  Exactly what I've been saying for several months now.  Does this make any of his fan club have a bit of a re-think?