I am grateful to Ray & Aileen for their investment in the club and I was extremely relieved when they chose not to put us into administration after Munto. I don't agree with some of the managerial decisions that have been made and as a loyal supporter and season ticket holder I am entitled to my opinion. I'm willing to give Jamie Fullarton a chance but I do see his appointment as a massive gamble! I don't understand why people feel the need to be so abusive and vile towards the owners. There isn't a queue of people at Meadow Lane waiting to invest millions in the club so demanding the current owners leave is ridiculous. Jamie has a very tough job and for the sake of our club's future let's hope he does succeed!! 

1 hour ago, hissingdwarf said:

next time try not to put a whole message in bold writi

Unfortunately due to a problem with my eyes, I have difficulties with close up work such as writing, so I need to increase the size and use bold in order to read the text.

On this occasion I forgot to change it back, but I do apologise to any one who was offended by my mistake.

4 hours ago, hissingdwarf said:''

Regarding the comment if Ray walks away...well if he does walk away, he isn't getting any return at all as you put it. No business man sells a business and on the day he decides to sell, never has anything to do with it again, especially not one that still has other businesses on the go.

Will someone else buy? We will never know until it happens will we?

The comment " if Ray walks away" .is mine, but I never mentioned anything about getting any return. Perhaps  you have attributed the remark to me in error.

The fact is with all the poisoned remarks and comments that keep appearing, I think that the Trew's  may  get tired of it all then sell the club for what ever they can get, and take the loss. That is only my opinion, but I fail to see any reason why they should stay in the face of such criticism.

@hissingdwarf said

Will someone else buy? We will never know until it happens will we?

Years ago  my father and I paid a large sum of money into the supporters trust in order to keep the club going. They were dark days, a poor team, no money, no hope. Off the top of my head we had Bill Dearden, Colin Murphy, Jocky Scott as manager during that time. Is this the kind of leader you want? All experienced, older men,  who where happy to avoid the bottom 2 places of the fourth tier, but never really had the drive to pushed the team onwards. 

I had high hopes that with Munto the club would come alive.  We know what happened there and had Ray Trew not stopped us going out of the league I think the club would have folded.

I am sorry you thought my comments patronising, even the ones I didn't make, but Notts County is my team and whilst I respect your right to criticise Notts for appointing Fullerton, I think we should let him get in his office first.

A rookie manager may be a gamble I am willing to accept, driving out the owners, with no one to fill the void a move which could be terminal, is not. 

No right thinking person would condone the kind of treatment the Trews are/have been getting, whatever they have done they don't deserve to be receiving death threats or any of the comments that have been said elsewhere.

i didn't agree with the dismissal of Moniz or the appointment of Fullarton but I wouldn't send death threats or abuse the family.

I agree with @Piety there is a danger they could get sick of the whole business and cut their losses and leave a dangerous void.

Much as I strongly disagree with the decisions made recently we've got to get on with it and hope things turn out ok.

we just seem to be finding ways to make it difficult for ourselves, either that or the quickest way of becoming a joke.

On 11/01/2016 at 17:17, allardyces tash said:

People forget that it takes a owner to invest and fans to support, without the two there is no point in existing. I do feel we should have gone for a manager who has the ability to fix the issue we see week in, week out on the field and I do feel this is the cheap option.

I hope there is light at the end of the road, this season could take a nasty turn for the worst.

At present it does take an owner to invest, but should it? Not in my opinion. The only reason invetment is needed is that players wages are vastly too high. If the FA capped them at say 50% income - not including donations - investment would not be needed, ownership would not be needed.

If a wealthy supporter, wanted to invest in the 'club', then let them improve facilities (as the Trews have done) or the academy etc. etc. English football and clubs like NCFC are in this predicament because of the insipid and corrupt FA.

9 hours ago, Piety said:

Ray Trew it would appear, makes things happen. He could take the safe option, there are a lot of experienced , but failed managers looking for work. we could pick one from the list, run along with the pack and see what happens. Instead, he has taken a gamble on an ambitious rookie who knows that his management career will sink or swim in line with Notts County's performance.  

This is his first roll in charge, and it appears that the knives are already being sharpened. I would urge you to get behind Fullaton, but I am worried that he will then be stabbed in the back.

With a large number of clubs up for sale, without the remote bit of interest from buyers, can I suggest that  unless they have around £10m to invest in the pies, the idiots who are calling for Mr Trew to go should keep quiet. They are simply  highlighting that they don't know what they are doing.

Ray Trew has made more money than most of us will ever see. you don't do that without taking an occasional risk to get ahead of the competition. He will also want to protect his investment by keeping an eye on the new man to ensure that things begin to happen. Things are not as we had hoped at ML and some changes are needed,  But as it stands, if Ray walks away we are history.    

Occasional risk I accept is necessary, in my opinion this is 1 risk too far. I feel the Trews have been excellent custodians of Notts, except when it comes to appointing managers. I'm worried that this one area will bring the whole enterprise down on their heads and ours.

I much prefer the membership model @ivansneck, but one club can't do it alone, it needs to be implemented across the board. This would require action from the FA or from the world of politics, which I can't see right now, sadly.

Not all fans in Germany are club members, and many first teams are limited companies seperate from the actual club. I think the OP is talking about the emotional connection us fans feel.

16 minutes ago, DangerousSausage said:

I much prefer the membership model @ivansneck, but one club can't do it alone, it needs to be implemented across the board. This would require action from the FA or from the world of politics, which I can't see right now, sadly.

Not all fans in Germany are club members, and many first teams are limited companies seperate from the actual club. I think the OP is talking about the emotional connection us fans feel.

I agree with your points, especially that 1 club can't do it alone. In terms of emotional connection, that's true, but it would be nice if there was some reciprocation from the 'club', however small. Otherwise it's unrequited love.

Poiniantly, look at what the fans are feeling in St Louis this morning. One 'club' has relocated in this country, there's still nothing to stop another doing so.

I was a little confused with the appointment of Fullarton but having thought about it why not eh? Yeah Ray could have gone for Cooper who by the sounds of it thought he'd already got the job, maybe that's what lost him the job. However his record is a little up and down, did well in his last job with a top budget though and still got sacked!

We need to give the new man a chance to see what he can do. Ray is pretty much drinking in the last chance saloon here but as said above you don't become successful by not taking chances....although he does seem to fail from time to time

A win away at Crawley should shut a few abusive cretins up There are quite a few of those on the Notts County Supporters Faceache page!

4 hours ago, OP67 said:

I was a little confused with the appointment of Fullarton but having thought about it why not eh? Yeah Ray could have gone for Cooper who by the sounds of it thought he'd already got the job, maybe that's what lost him the job. However his record is a little up and down, did well in his last job with a top budget though and still got sacked!

We need to give the new man a chance to see what he can do. Ray is pretty much drinking in the last chance saloon here but as said above you don't become successful by not taking chances....although he does seem to fail from time to time

A win away at Crawley should shut a few abusive cretins up There are quite a few of those on the Notts County Supporters Faceache page!

exactly, we need to give him a chance but if it does not work out i am not sure what it will mean.

it was unpleasant under moniz, i fear the reaction if fullarton proves to be disappointing and i hope it does not reach this stage. 

On 12/01/2016 at 22:19, ivansneck said:

At present it does take an owner to invest, but should it? Not in my opinion. The only reason invetment is needed is that players wages are vastly too high. If the FA capped them at say 50% income - not including donations - investment would not be needed, ownership would not be needed.

If a wealthy supporter, wanted to invest in the 'club', then let them improve facilities (as the Trews have done) or the academy etc. etc. English football and clubs like NCFC are in this predicament because of the insipid and corrupt FA.

Football will never be without owners, its the whole point fan owned clubs frequently fail.

22 minutes ago, allardyces tash said:

Football will never be without owners, its the whole point fan owned clubs frequently fail.

I don't think that's necessarily true, but if we're going to have the fan-based model, it has to be across the board, otherwise you've got an uneven playing field. Like this season, when Ray Trew whipped 150k out of his back pocket for McLeod - Wimbledon or Newport could never have competed with that.

In Germany you don't have owners like you do in the UK. But on the other hand, the clubs there make far more from sponsorship - local companies put annual seven-figure sums into fourth division clubs. Sums that are probably unknown outside the Premier League in England.

On 12/01/2016 at 22:19, ivansneck said: At present it does take an owner to invest, but should it? Not in my opinion. The only reason invetment is needed is that players wages are vastly too high. If the FA capped them at say 50% income - not including donations - investment would not be needed, ownership would not be needed.

If a wealthy supporter, wanted to invest in the 'club', then let them improve facilities (as the Trews have done) or the academy etc. etc. English football and clubs like NCFC are in this predicament because of the insipid and corrupt FA.

Football will never be without owners, its the whole point fan owned clubs frequently fail.

And so do "clubs" with owners. In both cases it is due to using the wrong business model. Members clubs allow fans to be part of successes and failures, but not be at the whim of appalling men like Mike Ashley , Ken Bates etc. (Note I don't include the Trews under this label)

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On 31/01/2016 at 15:18, ivansneck said:

And so do "clubs" with owners. In both cases it is due to using the wrong business model. Members clubs allow fans to be part of successes and failures, but not be at the whim of appalling men like Mike Ashley , Ken Bates etc. (Note I don't include the Trews under this label)

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You can call the Trews' many things, but you wouldn't even put them close to the same bracket as the Mike Ashley's of this world.