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Posted
3 hours ago, notts-joe said:

Disappointed, whilst I also felt the rumours had no merit - it seems Moniz couldn't weather the storm. Can we have a sensible appointment this time?

Whilst we have the opportunity to wrestle the initiative within the city from our neighbours this will never happen although it is what we need, it is this opportunity that I believe Ray Trew sees and why he desperately wants the success that we all want and will not stop until he has this.

A sensible appointment wouldn't attract the crowds like a good footballing one always will, lets hope we get the next Eddie Howe....

Posted
5 minutes ago, 1862 said:

I don't know why everyone seems to think I will have a party what can have a party about oh we're 16th in league 2

Sorry @tonyhateley but if you think I'm having a party an so on you don't know me at all I'm not that sad 

Sorry mate don't understand the sentiment??

Posted
3 minutes ago, Northants Pie said:

I just don't understand the party bit mate, that's all

basically people think am gonna have a party now he's been sacked but I have zero intentions of doing that I don't like people losing there job.

But I wouldn't go as low to celebrate it as that's just not me so I was just stating I would never do that' that's all 

Posted

Another thought..... ha ha Mark Cooper could surely get our talented squad of footballers playing some brilliant football, he did get Swindon playing some excellent stuff

Posted
1 minute ago, 1862 said:

basically people think am gonna have a party now he's been sacked but I have zero intentions of doing that I don't like people losing there job.

But I wouldn't go as low to celebrate it as that's just not me so I was just stating I would never do that' that's all 

OK thanks mate, lets hope no-one celebrates he job loss

Posted
8 minutes ago, Northants Pie said:

OK thanks mate, lets hope no-one celebrates he job loss

don't get me wrong I didn't want him to stay either as we are going nowhere but there is a huge difference between wanting someone sacked due to results.

And then having a party about it I just wanted him sacked before it may get worse 

Posted

Moniz has left the Lane now. As a left wing socialist putting someone on the jobless list is not a positive thing for me either, but let's be honest. Football managers are what they are. A sacked and dejected bunch of no good misfits. The next day they suddenly become God's gift to football by their new adoring club and fans. There aren't many jobs you can sacked (with massive payoffs) for being genuinely useless at your job (see Gary Mills) and then a few months later while 'having a break from your chosen profession' be appointed at a new club as the guy to stop the rot and solve all the issues in one go.

 

As I started with...he's gone so let's move on. No one is dancing in the streets,  some, including myself, did see the lack of consistency as an issue serious enough to remove him from post. Others view it as a mistake to release him. Opinions are what make the world go round!

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@1862My remark about you dancing in the street was meant to be a joke, I don't believe I mentioned a party but if I did that was a joke too. I was referring to the fact that you have been saying that Moniz should be sacked in just about every post you made for the last month or so. So I assumed you were happy.

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1 minute ago, 1862 said:

I might be happy about the fact it's finally over @tonyhateley as he has been starting to slip at home but not dancing but it's all good 

So you aren't auditioning for Strictly then?

That was another joke by the way.

Posted

I'm very, very disappointed by Ricardo's dismissal. It's a long time since I've been able to go to ML and know I'm guaranteed entertainment, win lose or draw. To articulate my reasons is very difficult but I'll have a go below:

1. Was it Moniz's fault that some poor players were bought? - I don't believe so, I think the recruitment system/personnel needs changing not necessarily the coach.

2. Defence was the problem, we all know that. So the attacking coach (Moniz) was worth keeping, they should have changed the 'defence' coach, not everybody at once.

3. Does the board realise it takes far longer than 9 months to build a squad, a team and an effective style of play? Have any of them read all the scientific analysis of the effect of changing coach/manager mid-season? It is necessary to look at the effect 6, 12 and 24 months after the change. I despair of English football's obsession with sacking the coach.

4. Was I the only one who loved Moniz's style of play? This was a complete culture change for Notts, from the board through the players and the coaching staff to the crowd. Instant success is a chimera, especially with a completely new set of players and style of play. Success is incremental for goodness sake.

5. Had he lost the dressing room? I don't think so.

6. Were the players trying to the bitter end against Morecambe? Yes.

7. Areas of (huge) concern had been identified, but yet again we throw out everything in order to mend  part of the organisation (the defence).

8. For success firstly identify the person who will take the club forward in the right way, in this case Moniz for his attacking and entertaining style. Then assess after a year or so (yes it really does take that long, if not longer, to get the assessment and therefore the decision right), and adjust the coaching staff/playing staff/style - not wholesale changes because you're panicking.

9. Ray and Aileen, football is a zero-sum game. For every team that wins a game ANOTHER HAS TO LOSE.  For every club that is promoted ANOTHER HAS TO BE RELEGATED. In business all companies can make a profit in a given year (theoretically). In sport every team CANNOT SUCCEED ALL THE TIME. There are 23 clubs in Division 4 who are trying their best to beat NCFC, they aren't there to roll over and die for our sakes'.

10. Actually at the end of the day the problem comes from the colossal sums of money that the Trews have put into NCFC - and my eternal thanks for so doing. But it creates in owners an almost overwhelming desire for success, just about instantly. Obviously Ray and Aileen aren't expecting to make a financial profit out of Notts so the 'profit' must come in other ways, i.e. success on the field. However, I don't think successful business people are necessarily able to step aside from their lifelong 'training' about how to manage a company into the bizarre world of football. Even in that bastion of the 'free-market', the USA runs its sport on totally different principles, salary cap, draft etc. I think the model in this country is broken, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST OWNERS AROUND.

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, ivansneck said:

I'm very, very disappointed by Ricardo's dismissal. It's a long time since I've been able to go to ML and know I'm guaranteed entertainment, win lose or draw. To articulate my reasons is very difficult but I'll have a go below:

1. Was it Moniz's fault that some poor players were bought? - I don't believe so, I think the recruitment system/personnel needs changing not necessarily the coach.

2. Defence was the problem, we all know that. So the attacking coach (Moniz) was worth keeping, they should have changed the 'defence' coach, not everybody at once.

3. Does the board realise it takes far longer than 9 months to build a squad, a team and an effective style of play? Have any of them read all the scientific analysis of the effect of changing coach/manager mid-season? It is necessary to look at the effect 6, 12 and 24 months after the change. I despair of English football's obsession with sacking the coach.

4. Was I the only one who loved Moniz's style of play? This was a complete culture change for Notts, from the board through the players and the coaching staff to the crowd. Instant success is a chimera, especially with a completely new set of players and style of play. Success is incremental for goodness sake.

5. Had he lost the dressing room? I don't think so.

6. Were the players trying to the bitter end against Morecambe? Yes.

7. Areas of (huge) concern had been identified, but yet again we throw out everything in order to mend  part of the organisation (the defence).

8. For success firstly identify the person who will take the club forward in the right way, in this case Moniz for his attacking and entertaining style. Then assess after a year or so (yes it really does take that long, if not longer, to get the assessment and therefore the decision right), and adjust the coaching staff/playing staff/style - not wholesale changes because you're panicking.

9. Ray and Aileen, football is a zero-sum game. For every team that wins a game ANOTHER HAS TO LOSE.  For every club that is promoted ANOTHER HAS TO BE RELEGATED. In business all companies can make a profit in a given year (theoretically). In sport every team CANNOT SUCCEED ALL THE TIME. There are 23 clubs in Division 4 who are trying their best to beat NCFC, they aren't there to roll over and die for our sakes'.

10. Actually at the end of the day the problem comes from the colossal sums of money that the Trews have put into NCFC - and my eternal thanks for so doing. But it creates in owners an almost overwhelming desire for success, just about instantly. Obviously Ray and Aileen aren't expecting to make a financial profit out of Notts so the 'profit' must come in other ways, i.e. success on the field. However, I don't think successful business people are necessarily able to step aside from their lifelong 'training' about how to manage a company into the bizarre world of football. Even in that bastion of the 'free-market', the USA runs its sport on totally different principles, salary cap, draft etc. I think the model in this country is broken, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST OWNERS AROUND.

 

 

 

At last someone who talks sense thank you @ivansneck you articulated that very, very well It is exactly what I have been trying to say on here and you said it very eloquently.

when Moniz arrived everyone was talking about the need for stability and a manager needs time, well that soon went out of the window didn't it. Fans and owners want instant success these days and if it isn't forthcoming the manager gets the sack and some other poor sap comes through the revolving door. It's pathetic.

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Football is a results business. RM wasn't getting the desired results and nothing was changing. Did he deserve the sack? Yes. He didn't get the best out of a strong squad. Getting rid of the whole management team was the way to go. We now have half a season to push on and achieve promotion.

Posted

okay so we was going in the right direction according to @tonyhateley @ivansneck so shipping in 19 goals in 7 games is good winless away all season except for Stevenage.

Playing attacking football and shipping in more goals then ever oh also playing players out of postion being to stubborn to see mistakes.

Example you cannot say hey Scot Bennett and Adams are doing well and both inform but I won't bring them back cause I have to admit I was wrong then.

bringing on Jimmy Spencer and instead of bringing on a ACTUAL winger let's just shove our target man stead on the wing.

Now let's talk away performances Carlisle were do we begin comical they didn't have to break sweat and could of been 4 nil up by half time.

Oh and players he brought in Amervor Jenner Snidjers and he knew sprockel to now let's give a brief statement on those players.

Sprockel not a footballer 

Amervor played a few games then never seen again clearly not good enough 

Jenner he won't be here soon Snidjers played did decent then just dropped no reasons.

Murray struggling to get on half the time might get 5 mins here there 

Also his subs were stupid who in the right mind brings on colby bishop at Cambridge with 50 seconds to go what's he going to show in that time .?

But yea moniz oh don't forget Rhys Sharpe moniz dropped him after his game didn't he Rember that because he was doing his tape on his socks ????

Sorry but some of you who think it's de less to sack moniz need to actually look at other things 

He did bring attacking play yea and football was pretty sharp at times yes not going to lie but we was so attacking it's like defending is non egxistant.

I hope Spencer and Murray get a chance toghter up top I hope Adams an Bennett get a chance again aswell.

And for Tony saying it's pathetic no what's pathetic is this the fact that moniz is to stubborn to wake up and admit he made mistakes .

Why not look at a game and see the issue everyone from the stands can see it why not be like right I can see we are getting outrun in the middle I need some legs on Curtis.

Now maybe why not be like Bennett is in form bring him back might tighten it up.

the bloke made mistakes and will never ever admit he did becuase he is stubborn clear to all 

 

Posted

I think a little realism is required here,

Let's go back to Salford for example. No effort at all and players didn't want to play for him.

A manager is in charge of the organisation of the team and sets them up accordingly to play the way he wishes. If we had released Yates and kept Moniz do you seriously think it would have made any difference?

His philosophy of attack at all costs is to be lauded, but has regretfully led us to ... being much closer to the bottom of league two than the top. Without a change now I firmly believe we would have registered our lowest position in years. 

To say he knew what he was doing is strange. The Morcambe game showed the errors. No team can start so badly then play so well and say we don't have the players. We clearly do, what is lacking is the defensive organisation and the motivation to deal in the dirty League we are in. The start and lack of fight in the first half showed how exposed his team selections were. Smith couldn't walk, never mind run and yet he persisted in playing him for his motivational influence. Well with the greatest respect, Milsom or Curtis Thompson would have covered more grass and made more tackles than Smith did guaranteed and held more cover for the actual weak defence.

 

And to cap it all.

Jenner!

Everybody liked the attacking expansive football. Something we have been longing for at the Lane for years. Did it work? NO.

Get the team organised. Get some solid defenders in (who imo are already on our books such as Bennett and Adams and if not replace them with players for their positions.) When Stan said in his aftermatch interview we have lots of players playing out of position, it says alot for the selection policy.

 

Branston (and idea of Panel) bye bye. Branston DID make alot of the signings, yet he bears no responsibility. Not on. The idea of the Sprokels of this world along with the massive squad we have, cut them loose now. Quality not quantity is what Moniz said he would get. Did he (or Branston) deliver? No.

Just look at the back of the programme every match. The squad size is ridiculous.

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We need STABILITY and CONTINUITY or we are never going to get anywhere. Moniz was supposed to be a new era of stability, a manager that would be given time to shape the team and the club over a period of two/three hopefully more years but here we are again looking for our 9th manager in six years since, we are a laughing stock, the only managers we will attract are desperate ones who are out of work and there will be a reason why they are out of work. No decent manager in his right mind is going to come to a club with a record like ours.

We weren't in any danger of being relegated in spite of what @hissingdwarf said a while ago, ok so we weren't looking like going up this season either but why not leave Moniz in situ and try and get some form of order to the club, maybe let Moniz pick his own backroom staff, get rid of the failed transfer committee experiment, get some decent coaches in who could help the players reach their full potential etc.

The next manager will come in and start all over again with different players, the decent players will be sold or released because he didn't sign them and he will sign a load of players who are his mates and have probably failed him before at other clubs.

 

Posted

not bein funny but moniz plan is simple attack and just pray we score more an it shows in the goals against I think we have the second worse goals against record 

Posted

Moniz was an experiment and Ray admitted that when he signed him. The transfer committee was an attempt to stop the clear out of players each time.

I think both have failed and we have the makings of a good squad If the new man releases of of spare junk and concentrated on not conceding first.

 

I admitted my emotional over reaction to relegation, but it says of when we only rely on a couple of other teams being worse than us to stay in League two. Take a look at the goals conceded column. Not good enough.

Posted

@tonyhateley must still be in a bad mood. Justhe been to rubenshaws and Ikea retail park and the dark cloud coming from that part of the world is bad. Went as soon as we came home again. I blame your mood tone.

Posted
5 hours ago, hissingdwarf said:

I think a little realism is required here,

Let's go back to Salford for example. No effort at all and players didn't want to play for him.

A manager is in charge of the organisation of the team and sets them up accordingly to play the way he wishes. If we had released Yates and kept Moniz do you seriously think it would have made any difference?

His philosophy of attack at all costs is to be lauded, but has regretfully led us to ... being much closer to the bottom of league two than the top. Without a change now I firmly believe we would have registered our lowest position in years. 

To say he knew what he was doing is strange. The Morcambe game showed the errors. No team can start so badly then play so well and say we don't have the players. We clearly do, what is lacking is the defensive organisation and the motivation to deal in the dirty League we are in. The start and lack of fight in the first half showed how exposed his team selections were. Smith couldn't walk, never mind run and yet he persisted in playing him for his motivational influence. Well with the greatest respect, Milsom or Curtis Thompson would have covered more grass and made more tackles than Smith did guaranteed and held more cover for the actual weak defence.

 

And to cap it all.

Jenner!

Everybody liked the attacking expansive football. Something we have been longing for at the Lane for years. Did it work? NO.

Get the team organised. Get some solid defenders in (who imo are already on our books such as Bennett and Adams and if not replace them with players for their positions.) When Stan said in his aftermatch interview we have lots of players playing out of position, it says alot for the selection policy.

 

Branston (and idea of Panel) bye bye. Branston DID make alot of the signings, yet he bears no responsibility. Not on. The idea of the Sprokels of this world along with the massive squad we have, cut them loose now. Quality not quantity is what Moniz said he would get. Did he (or Branston) deliver? No.

Just look at the back of the programme every match. The squad size is ridiculous.

Errm I think the expansive attacking football at the lane did work as prior to the Morecambe match our home record was the same as second placed Northampton. So entertaining attacking football at meadow lane getting good results.

Defensively we were poor so why not change the defensive coach and/or invest in a decent centre back in the same way we invested in Izale McLeod? The terrible away form could have been addressed - see it as part of Moniz's learning curve. 

After all the comings and goings over the last few seasons some good football 'promotion form' at Meadow Lane, which after 1/2 a season was a good start to the the new era which the Trews wanted.

I know I won't change anyone's mind about Moniz who views this forum, but I'm certain we won't have any change for the better and success at Notts if a manager isn't given a chance beyond a few month. I think this was, with good results at home and some very good players in the squad, that opportunity.

 

 

Posted
6 hours ago, Dripsey3 said:

Football is a results business. RM wasn't getting the desired results and nothing was changing. Did he deserve the sack? Yes. He didn't get the best out of a strong squad. Getting rid of the whole management team was the way to go. We now have half a season to push on and achieve promotion.

'Football is a results business'.

No. This is the point where we disagree. Football thinks it's a results business and behaves as if it is. Promotion is not a requirement for entertainment, it's a target but not achieving it this year is not necessarily failure. If the club (board) have gambled financially on promotion then they have made a huge mistake in my opinion, as they have made 'failure' more likely than 'success', however you care to define them. Don't set yourself up to fail.

However, it isn't; it's part of the entertainment industry trying to get paying customers, either through the turnstiles or on TV.

A zero-sum game means there have to be losers in most games. A victory is what we want to see, but it has become the be all and end all for too many in the game. It should be the icing on the cake.

Ray and Aileen have partly recognised this in doing things like set up the MLSB, I'd go to fewer games without that facility. I hate to use the word, but match-day should be an enjoyable 'experience', which is enjoyable when your team loses or draws and truly fantastic when they win.

'Best out of a strong squad'. Is it really that strong in ALL areas? I feel he got the best out of the attacking potential of the players. As I said before, I'd have changed defensive coach(es) and bought/loaned a centre half to go with Sheehan. I think NCFC under Moniz were that close to promotion.

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