Should have stuck with Derry?

[Mitya]

Notts's current and latest predicament leads me to reflect that we should perhaps have stuck with Derry.

I said at the time that his tenure could finally ignite some positivity around a club that has been mired in gloom for years.

I was a short-lived season ticket-holder but I got tired of the abuse and general misery issued forth by those sat around me (and I changed seats once) - it was almost as though people went there to vent negativity. At the ref, at the players, at the opposition. (Perhaps this is modern football in general and I'm naiive.)

Derry, whatever his managerial naivity and rookie status in that regard, really got the place united. Who was the last Notts manager who had their name sung from the stands? Even when we were getting roundly wallopped by such footballing giants as Walsall, the song rung out.

But no, the magerial merrygoround went on, and that rarely ends well, as has proved. Derry might have taken us down that season when he got fired, and I'm no chief executive so I don't know if the financial implications of that were too hard to countenance; but I would sooner have kept Derry and continued to build a vibe, a brand, a unity, and gone down, than jump ship to someone who was parachuted in and had no rapport with fans (Moniz) or, now, Fullerton, whose appointment was somewhat staggering.

Good vibes and positivity count for a lot. Yes, we might have gone down (probably would have). Yes, he had a stupidly large squad that needed settling down and trimming. Yes, he slipped into an unfortunate habbit of sounding embattled and defiant in his post-match interviews. But give Derry a few seasons and I reckon we could have had a happy little era at Meadow Lane. It's an opportunity missed, and now look how he's doing at Cambridge.

So, am I alone in this view? #flameme

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@Mitya Derry's biggest mistake was his partner in crime Abbott. Derry seems to have got a good coach at Cambridge so is less exposed.  Derry's home record in the season he was sacked was the worst for 150 years...so how could his continued tenure be justified?

[DangerousSausage]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I'd have stuck with Derry rather than being where we are now, but he'd built a disastrous squad, won something like 3 out of 24 and thoroughly deserved the boot.

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I said at the time I would have backed Derry, some have changed their minds - which I don't argue but I don't think he would have kept us up. I do believe we would be better off now if he had stayed on as the manager.

League Two is a good division for anyone to start a proper career and I suspect he learnt a lot from his time with us.

However, we can't look back. Jamie Fullarton is the manager right now, however much I think it's unlikely - considering all the exits and negatives that we are witnessing, I just feel if we want to see the club we support overturn this, we need to try and be strong. I can honestly say, I feel Shaun Derry would have made sure we didn't split as a fan base - people respected him and that would have been more than enough to keep grouped.

It's very sad.

[Melikepie]

Derry and Fullarton are very alike in their "philophosy". Defensive and it shows in home games. Away from home it is OK but at home, the away team doesn't generally come at you as much and then you have to open up more and you're done for. Moniz had the perfect home idea, attack! Unfortunately the defence is a bit frail

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

I find it very difficult to comprehend why players like Derry and Fullarton who have played at a high level, then switch to neanderthal hoof ball when they become managers?

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4 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

I find it very difficult to comprehend why players like Derry and Fullarton who have played at a high level, then switch to neanderthal hoof ball when they become managers?

Because the players struggle to implement their game plan, when nobody works towards the goal - it's bound to happen. Derry always spoke about wanting to play in on the floor, through the middle etc.

A stern and experienced manager knows how to get his players to do what they are asked.

Whilst those with less or limited probably have the trouble non league managers do, i.e "I know better than you boss, I play each week".

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

@notts-joe Derry had a chance to build his "footballing"  team. His first signings I believe were Wroe, just based on a chance meeting with Preston's Kevin Davies at St George's Park, then Alan Smith who he bumped into in a Florida gym. Not the most thoughtful planned signings, especially when Wroe hardly ever played.

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@Piethagoram I don't deny what your saying.

It's known his budget was pretty limited, that changed frequently but often was stated it was lower than most in the division at the time. Adam Murray at Mansfield I believe takes a lot of flack for signing the wrong players, I recall reading that people wanted him out but now look - @Dan how many signings did Murray make which haven't worked out? Would you say he's improved over time?

Like I say, I do feel in this division he could have done well - I would like to think that. Certainly I think he would be able to galvanise the support but it won't happen.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

but  @notts-joe had Derry continued, we would still be waiting to sign a right back as cover  He should have jettisoned Abbott who appeared to be more a comic than a coach. The scouting of players under Derry was also atrocious. How did we end up paying alleged fees for Daniels and Hayhurst?

[Elite_pie]

3 hours ago, Mitya said:

Who was the last Notts manager who had their name sung from the stands?

Jamie Fullarton's name is regularly sung from the stands.

Unfortunately it's always followed by "get out of our club"!

 

[upthepies]

Never look back in anger!

Derry has moved on, so should we.

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I think he will get a great reception when he returns next week & a chorus of "he's one of our own" and so he should. Murray has made some brilliant signings in the summer but the January ones weren't the best, which even he has kind of admitted. I think that is why we have tailed off a bit. But then I don't think we were ready for League One anyway so I'm ok that we've stayed down and had a decent season.

[ivansneck]

I'll give him a good reception but MC is a better manager at presenr

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[Fozzy]

I'll also applaud him, but I think I will save my biggest applause for Jimmy, a striker we should never have let go!

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I always like Shaun Derry as a manager, he seemed to show promise - it actually saddened me when I read comments about him not being good enough, that he won't get a second chance etc. Then when he was liked with the likes of Doncaster, it bordered comments about him making a career of his playing days - which is just bizarre because it's not like he jumped the gun to manage Q.P.R or Crystal Palace.

Really, if it wasn't for our home record - he would probably still be here.

I do feel it's a good division for him to start in, so a second chance seems ideal and I was surprised he was interested in Cambridge. I see him getting a League 1 (mid table side or a league two promotion candidate) job at some stage. Not that I see him leaving Cambridge for the first offer than comes to him, as I think he's quite loyal.

Good luck to him.

[Who r ya?? You Pies!!]

SD is a developing manager still learning his trade , I personally liked him as a player and manager at notts , he will have a degree of success I'm sure and I wish him well .

[liampie]

as much as i liked derry, he needed the right club and to go through what he had under notts. who knows if he will come back? for now we have cooper who is much better.

[Melikepie]

@liampie I agree that Cooper is a better manager fully! I think first season Derry was good though, he played quite exciting football and was great for galvanising the team. Second year Derry, when he could build his own squad was a disaster! And the reason for that in my honest opinion was that he listened to Abbott too much. Look at Cambridge, he's come in and steadied the ship, he hasn't got Abbott this time so it will be interesting to see how Cambridge fare next season but he could well turn out to be like Mad Dog, a great manager to have come in to fight fires but stagnates quickly and won't bring long term success? 

[allardyces tash]

If Derry had stayed on as manager I think fans would have been more pleased with the players. Whoever signed the bulk of squad made a terrible decision to go for quantity rather than quality.

[Turkey_Twizzler]

Derry had a terrible end to the season, I think he got 1 or 2 wins in about 20 games at one point and that's why we went down despite reaching 3rd in the league at one stage

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[liampie]

6 hours ago, Melikepie said:

@liampie a great manager to have come in to fight fires but stagnates quickly and won't bring long term success? 

i think cambridge will be the club where he improves this side of things.

they should not go up or be relegated. it gives him a chance to balance things and gain the experience required to be a better manager. i think with time he may be a warnock style manager.