Coronavirus

[Piethagoram]

https://davidallengreen.com/2020/04/the-extraordinary-sir-simon-mcdonald-clarification-a-guided-tour/

[heraldmagpie]

It's a long way to go until this is resolved, I am doubtful about the vaccination because I am not sure how it will work properly without making those who have it ill.

[Piethagoram]

 

[Chris]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52439348?fbclid=IwAR2dEMM3CKlNqhfa83rD6KsD1qtbCeOwNuqzuN1ksau7WYdaTe54yRR-0us

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[liampie]

why have more people started to act like life is returning to normal just because of a rumour that the lockdown will be made softer?

its already too soft, the uk being worse than Italy is a joke because they had it stricter.

[DangerousSausage]

1 hour ago, liampie said:

why have more people started to act like life is returning to normal just because of a rumour that the lockdown will be made softer?

its already too soft, the uk being worse than Italy is a joke because they had it stricter.

The "lockdown" was much less strict in Germany, but has had a big effect - daily new infections nationwide are now about 600, down from about 6000 at the peak. Among other things, the difference is that other countries acted sooner. Scandalous really, especially when you consider that the UK had longer to prepare and act.

You can't live in lockdown forever though - the question is, when is it safe enough to open up again? Here, too, the UK has the luxury of observing other countries to see what effects their measures have. Hopefully the powers that be won't mess it up this time.

In Germany, masks are now compulsory in shops and on public transport. The reasoning for this is that, while a non-medical mask doesn't protect you from COVID-19, it does help protect others if you happen to have it. Therefore, if EVERYONE wears a mask, there's a certain degree of protection. So I spent a good part of last weekend sewing face masks, with a modest degree of success. If you fancy sewing your own mask, make sure you've got enough sewing thread at home as it's sure to sell out!

@Piethagoram That report is bad news to those of us who are susceptible to forming blood clots

[Piethagoram]

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

[chipmunx]

22 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

The Guardian has a political agenda to everything it publishes - it's as bad as the Daily Mail for that. Around 85% of the Care homes in the country are privately run and the care  and protection of residents in them in down to the Companies that run them.

[Piethagoram]

@chipmunxThe whole point of governments, be it left or right,  is to manage the legal frameworks that society operates in. This is not political agenda driven, it's pointing out the failures of government to protect the most vulnerable

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[Piethagoram]

https://www.ft.com/content/4ab490c1-a0ad-453b-9c0f-c3c0f4fdaab2

[Piethagoram]

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2020/05/12/herd-immunity-is-fine-for-veterinary-epidemiology-but-not-for-humans/

[Piethagoram]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/19/uk-government-pandemic

[DangerousSausage]

So the restrictions are being eased in Germany. Shops have been open for weeks, and I think I'll be heading back to my (sparse) office in a week or two. Masks are compulsory in shops and on public transport, and cases at least aren't rising again. Holidays are officially allowed again, but I'm not sure what people in touristy regions will make of it when visitors come from more heavily affected areas.

[Piethagoram]

an interesting thread on the legalities

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[Chris]

On 08/05/2020 at 07:02, chipmunx said:

The Guardian has a political agenda to everything it publishes - it's as bad as the Daily Mail for that. Around 85% of the Care homes in the country are privately run and the care  and protection of residents in them in down to the Companies that run them.

There's a standard guideline all care homes have to follow, not just privately owned.

They're much stricter in general with sick bugs and other things, forcing measures such as not allowing visitors to see family members in person. It's the council ran care homes which tend to be softer or ignore the guidelines due largely to inexperienced staff.

I would imagine that most went into lockdown themselves before the UK did.

Issue is carers, nurses, cleaners etc - who go home are more likely to spread it without knowing. If any permitted visits during the lockdown, then that would be quite severe and dangerous as commonly people do not use the hand soap to clean their hands or even read notices. It's a difficult situation for everyone. 

[Piethagoram]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/revealed-the-secret-report-that-gave-ministers-warning-of-care-home-coronavirus-crisis

Some good points made by @Chris made to @chipmunx . The secret government Exercise Cygnus report, effectively blocked care home management from knowing (be it public or private care homes) what is needed in times of a pandemic.

There were some real financial "gun to the head" levers forcing care homes to admit Covid19 possible carriers into care homes

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-care-homes-faced-funding-cut-if-they-didnt-take-in-covid-19-patients-11986578

This example of what happened in Gateshead is a shocking read:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-52739658

It highlights the problem in a nut shell. Hospitals trying to release hospital beds, care home refusing to accept without a negative Covid19 test, financial / police / ambulence / family pressures interwoven into one complex problem... all for just one test which could have solved this situation in an instant ( which wasn't available)

 

 

 

 

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