are we as fans guilty of being too critical at times?

[liampie]

i have been watching a lot of pundit videos on football, along with vlogs and articles.

our recent game against tranmere rovers was a very enjoyable game.

not just because of how notts played but also how tranmere did, the game was very lively and i thought the atmosphere made it even greater. but i found myself asking are we being too critical at times? does it effect the fun of watching games back?

dan crowley missed a sitter, after david mcgoldrick hit the post from his shot. it bounced around and somehow perfectly found its way to matt palmer. who put in an excellent pass for crowley who really should have scored but placed the ball wide of the goal post. this moment in the game had me very excited, almost on the edge of my seat because notts had put a lot of pressure to score a 2nd goal. reading back, seeing all the comments, i do wonder if we are guilty of being too critical and if it comes as a cost to the enjoyment?

i am not saying its wrong to be critical, i am just asking does it ruin the enjoyment of that moment in the game when things that entertain us happen and then looking back we tend to put it under a magnifying glass.

[Fan of Big Tone 𝕏 @mainstandpie]

I try not to be over critical because I know that the last thing the players want is to miss that absolute sitter or let that attacker get the better of them and score a goal but at times it does happen and when it does at a match I might let out a groan but it’s not a negative groan just a disappointed one. I hate it when fans shout negatively towards players who make a mistake.

Similarly when posting here and elsewhere I’d rather post positively than the opposite.

[allardyces tash]

Yes, I think so.

I don’t think your point is about being negative, but more about dwelling on mistakes. I heard some daft comments, albeit acceptable ones, about Dan Crowley. I think if people can’t get over incidents, then it falls into this category. They are being too critical, and I would imagine it does impact the fun of just experiencing a good time. I hate when Foghorn Leghorns shout nonsense and judge everything as if they were either playing or the manager. I would much rather sit in a quiet area without any atmosphere. Everyone from time to time will be critical to a degree; I think it’s about perspective and balance. If Notts are doing well, the players put in their duties and give 100%, then it’s not the worst thing to let things go.

[JohnTheBost]

I believe that we all have the ability to persevere, even if the outcome is not in our favour. It’s not a failure if you can move forward. I concur that some football fans can be excessively critical, but thankfully, such behaviour is not exhibited here. While I admit to being critical at times, I believe that it can be constructive and positive, as long as it is done with sincerity and in a healthy manner.

[BromPie]

It’s an interesting point; I think we all do from time to time. I would rather support and enjoy watching Notts than allow what happens to cause me to be too critical. At times this will happen, but I think I am able to reset. I know there are people who have a disliking for Sam Slocombe, and this season it seems to be Connell Rawlinson and Kyle Cameron. To be at the point where you call for them to leave or complain after one mistake, not taking into consideration all the good they do, then I would hate to be those types of people. They are far too unreasonable and critical of things.

[liampie]

@Fan of Big Tone i think most pon members are able to put mistakes past once the game has finished, some may need a day or two but usually common sense prevents it being long term. i was not bothered when dan crowley missed, but its the type of thing had notts drawn some might have been a bit critical of. i think enjoying the game first and foremost is important as thats what we pay to see, a good result is only a bonus.

[NottsTastic]

I think we are at times guilty of being too critical, but maybe not completely negative. It is normal to hold players to a high standard, but the point about just enjoying football is something worth remembering. I would rather see Notts win having played well than complain about a few mistakes and only have that as the focus.

[Chris Website URL Visit Site 𝕏 fmcj10 Instagram fmcj10]

I think when you feel critical of what's happening, it can impact the enjoyment.

It's hard for me to pick at faults and keep doing so, because I am not that critical of things because I feel that usually the better things that happen out weigh the negatives. We all have the potential to lose the enjoyment of a game by overthinking things, that's just football within itself and human nature. As I say, I try to be very positive and rather look on the bright side. I wished I could make a difference by printing this discussion off and giving it to some of the new annoying fans that sit near to me.

When Dan Crowley missed, f-bombs and he's f****** useless cried out.

The moment Connell Rawlinson scored, one of the mentioned fans shouted "how long to score a second, these are easy."

I won't go any further, as the comments shouted to Cedwyn Scott did anger me. I didn't say anything this time, but I found myself stirring and being told off by @super_pie. With the encouragement of "just ignore him, dad." muttered to me.

[DangerousSausage]

This is an interesting point @liampie. I would wager that most people on here aren't nearly as critical or analytical when they're actually at a match. This is a place where we can mull over and analyse what we've seen, but as the match is usually long finished by the time most people log in to PON, the spontaneous excitement of a match doesn't really come across. It might do when there are live updates, but most people's attention is elsewhere.

I think that's reasonable. What is less reasonable is just being an absolute misery as @Chris describes, but that's people for you.

[CliftonMagpie]

I try to balance criticism with positives. I always try to see the brighter side of situations, and although that can be hard, I feel it’s something I do well. I can perhaps be a little critical, but I would never let it cost my enjoyment. We have had our ups and downs, mostly downs, and it’s nice to have a club that is trying to move forward in the right way. I do think we have some massive idiots on social media, people who take joy in picking at the players and moaning. They’re extremely critical, but I don’t focus any energy or time on them.

[Blake]

It's my belief that fans often live in the present and don't consider events beyond what has recently occurred. While it's uncertain whether some fans are too critical, it is a possibility. Generally speaking, I find that fans frequently undermine the joyous moments by continuously fixating on the negatives, like a broken record. I personally find these types of fans to be dull and excessively serious. Football is a game filled with passion, but we must remember that the players on the field are human beings who shouldn't be subjected to the incessant complaints of such individuals.

[Ohh Tommy Johnson]

On 31/08/2023 at 21:34, BromPie said:

It’s an interesting point; I think we all do from time to time. I would rather support and enjoy watching Notts than allow what happens to cause me to be too critical. At times this will happen, but I think I am able to reset. I know there are people who have a disliking for Sam Slocombe, and this season it seems to be Connell Rawlinson and Kyle Cameron. To be at the point where you call for them to leave or complain after one mistake, not taking into consideration all the good they do, then I would hate to be those types of people. They are far too unreasonable and critical of things.

This is the attitude that irks me.  If everyone criticised Macca on the same basis (i.e. every time he missed a shot or a pass went astray) then we would have a very different view on his abilities. It seems that every season there has to be a scapegoat, and it seems pointless.

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

There will always be those fans that won't be satisfied with the team no matter if they are top of the league or unbeaten.

Take just now, Notts are third in the league, unbeaten away this season with just two narrow defeats at home.

Another added factor that makes Notts current position a great achievement is that it has been done with so many injuries to key players.

But if you look on social media you'd think the team were third from bottom & playing terrible.

Unfortunately no matter what the team does it will never satisfy some. It actually says more about those complaining than it does the team. Some people just look at a glass half empty rather than a glass half full.

[ScottyP]

It's happening now. Some fans believe we should be competing more closely for the title, and we are still in the mix for it. 

Counting a draw against a decent but hardworking team and only focusing on the negatives is a bit of a joke. We are managing injuries much better than last season, yet some fans fail to see the bigger picture.

[Piethagoram 𝕏 @piethagoram]

One has only to see how tough EFL2 is... Morecambe and Carlisle Utd wins were unexpected! Stockport, Wrexham and Mansfield went up with probably the largest playing budgets. Notts are still being "funded" but not to those financial extremes. 

[Robbie 𝕏 @Robbie_NCFC]

You don't necessarily have to have the biggest playing budgets to build a team that can challenge for promotion.

A good coach that can recruit the right players then coach them to play as a team is just as valuable as buying the best players who might not fit into the Club's playing system.

[Scotty]

yes