Orange Card?

[Cobby]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25811977

 

Not directly Nott's related, but it could be!

 

• Introduction of orange cards that would allow referees to send players to a sin-bin
  
• Quotas for foreign players
  
• Implementing rugby's rule where only the captain can talk to the referee with a free-kick advanced 10 yards for any dissent
  
• Abolishing the 'triple punishment' rule where a player who prevents a goalscoring opportunity in the penalty areas concedes a spot-kick, is sent off and also suspended
  
• All Fifa presidential candidates taking part in live debates on television and in front of the six continental confederations
  
• Making public the salary of the Fifa president and leading officials
  

Which of these do people agree with? Are they just trying to make changes for changes sake?

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I'm quite fearful of changes, half the time I think it's more to give them something to do - whilst obviously sparking interesting. It's interesting because things like this come along, when people have been wanting goal line technology for ages and yet they get their heads together and decide to implement whatever they can.

Generally it's the pointless things which come first!

Introduction of orange cards that would allow referees to send players to a sin-bin

I don't agree with this, simply because a team is forced to see an injured player miss action until they're fit enough to come back. It could ruin the game and favour dirty sides (I am sure Westley) would like it, even if half of his squad was sent to have a time out.

Quotas for foreign players

Agreed, although the steps which have been taken for the EPL is a step. Further regulations regarding foreign players would be good to see, especially how some teams try to get around the current system. I.E Bring them in whilst they're young and within 3-5 years, they're classed as home grown??

Implementing rugby's rule where only the captain can talk to the referee with a free-kick advanced 10 yards for any dissent

Common sense, would love to see this!

Abolishing the 'triple punishment' rule where a player who prevents a goalscoring opportunity in the penalty areas concedes a spot-kick, is sent off and also suspended

Why bring it in if they're going to out it? A player who prevents a goalscoring opportunity should be sent off, it's cheating and there for it should result in the obvious penalty kick and suspension.

All Fifa presidential candidates taking part in live debates on television and in front of the six continental confederations

Seems a bit of a fuss over nothing, should it be on tv? Where in the age of internet video streaming, this would be good enough. I think it should be, though they're seeming to aim for a more political style.

Making public the salary of the Fifa president and leading officials

Oh for sure! This should be known!!!!

[SteveMUP]

I agree that players need to see some sort of time out before they receive a red card, it might actually benefit the game and reduce blatant fouls. A quote of how many foreign players is something I am also in favour of seeing but I think it should be more of limit on how many can be fielded. I disagree with the triple ruling, this would be a major step back imo.

Captains should only be able to discuss things with the referee, yet players who have been fouled should be able to apply.

Last two I would agree with.  

[Super_Danny_Allsopp]

While I agree with most of them in theory, the orange card thing is ridiculous.

[super_ram]

Orange card?Ridiculous and unnecessary.Better, consistent,referees-yes.

[liampie]

While I agree with most of them in theory, the orange card thing is ridiculous.

yeah its how i see it sda!

i dont think it would improve things, super as hits the nail on the head by saying better refs. i dont like changes, i think most might help but i am wary of them still. @Cobby what about you?

[ivansneck]

Orange card?Ridiculous and unnecessary.Better, consistent,referees-yes.

I used to referee football in the 1980's but switched to RL, because the laws of football, and their interpretation, do not help the match officials in any way, they seem to me almost to hinder officiating to provide more controversy.

 

As to better, more consistent, referees - this is a misnomer.

 

NCFC's current footballers are by definition third-rate. They would be playing higher up the ladder if they were better than 3rd division ‘standard’. So with the referees we get. All match officials are human and make mistakes. Even the so-called best players fail to control the ball, miss open goals and commit countless other errors. Yet we still regard them as very, very good at the game. I’m afraid it is the same with match officials. The referees at the top level are the best we will ever get – they wouldn’t be there if they weren’t. However, the media and many supporters and players cannot cope with them being human and therefore fallible. Add to that the fact that the majority do not know the laws of the game, and you have a recipe for disaster, bad behaviour, anger and angst. Human beings cannot be consistent with themselves let alone with others. They can and do strive for it, but perfection is impossible.

 

As to the changes themselves, they are trivial with respect to the underlying problems of the officiating of the game. It will require a root and branch reform of ALL aspects of football to make any significant progress, and anyway many of them have been tried before. Some of you may remember FIFA threatening to throw Germany out of international competition for having a season at third division level (1990-1 I think)  where a yellow card meant a 10 minute sin-binning; the quite-successful attempt by Belgium in the 1990’s to introduce no talking to match officials which was overturned on Manchester United’s behalf after the Ronnie Wallwork scandal; our  bizarrely cockeyed attempt to introduce the least important part of the ‘10 m rule’ for dissent, etc. etc.

 

Rant to be continued…

[Joe Jones]

Well, in a regional Italian league, the local federation has decided to issue blue cards for "blasphemy".
http://it.eurosport.yahoo.com/notizie/curiosport-bestemmia-in-campo-scatta-cartellino-azzurro-105242320--spt.html

[super_ram]

I used to referee football in the 1980's but switched to RL, because the laws of football, and their interpretation, do not help the match officials in any way, they seem to me almost to hinder officiating to provide more controversy.

 

As to better, more consistent, referees - this is a misnomer.

 

NCFC's current footballers are by definition third-rate. They would be playing higher up the ladder if they were better than 3rd division ‘standard’. So with the referees we get. All match officials are human and make mistakes. Even the so-called best players fail to control the ball, miss open goals and commit countless other errors. Yet we still regard them as very, very good at the game. I’m afraid it is the same with match officials. The referees at the top level are the best we will ever get – they wouldn’t be there if they weren’t. However, the media and many supporters and players cannot cope with them being human and therefore fallible. Add to that the fact that the majority do not know the laws of the game, and you have a recipe for disaster, bad behaviour, anger and angst. Human beings cannot be consistent with themselves let alone with others. They can and do strive for it, but perfection is impossible.

 

As to the changes themselves, they are trivial with respect to the underlying problems of the officiating of the game. It will require a root and branch reform of ALL aspects of football to make any significant progress, and anyway many of them have been tried before. Some of you may remember FIFA threatening to throw Germany out of international competition for having a season at third division level (1990-1 I think)  where a yellow card meant a 10 minute sin-binning; the quite-successful attempt by Belgium in the 1990’s to introduce no talking to match officials which was overturned on Manchester United’s behalf after the Ronnie Wallwork scandal; our  bizarrely cockeyed attempt to introduce the least important part of the ‘10 m rule’ for dissent, etc. etc.

 

Rant to be continued…

Good post @ivansneck and I agree with most of your points.Today's game is very fast.Players don't help by diving.feigning injury etc.Managers/coaches never seem to see their own players misdemeanors or decisions that have gone their way,Take all this into account and even with the help of the assistant referees it is impossible for a referee to get every decision 100% correct.The pundits on TV,when dissecting some action, don't always agree ,even with the aid of slo-mo and multi angle cameras.I think that refereering standard throughout the leagues is very good.Having said all that what is your opinion of the sending off last night.

[upthepies]

I agree with the majority, yet the card one seems a funny one.

The changes to the europa league was more about money, the above is more common sense. Players should not nag the referee or other match officials but clear communication between captain/vice captain and referee would be highly beneficial.
 

yeah its how i see it sda!

i dont think it would improve things, super as hits the nail on the head by saying better refs. i dont like changes, i think most might help but i am wary of them still. @Cobby what about you?

Dont hide @Cobby, let us know your opinion.

[Cobby]

I agree with the majority, yet the card one seems a funny one.

The changes to the europa league was more about money, the above is more common sense. Players should not nag the referee or other match officials but clear communication between captain/vice captain and referee would be highly beneficial.

 

Dont hide @Cobby, let us know your opinion.

 

All right all right, I'll give you my opinion. I just like being the instigator of discussions, that's all

 

The rules I like are about instilling respect for the referee, as it makes my blood boil when I see 4-5 players getting up in the face of the referee. Rugby has it right in that respect. Saying that, we all know how poor officials can be in this league, however when has a player shouting at the ref ever really changed his mind?

 

I'd have to hear what the proposal would be to replace the "Triple Punishment" as I think just getting rid of 1 of the 3 wouldn't instantly make it better.

 

In terms of orange cards, are there any sports with a similar tempo to Football that have sin-binning. Rugby isn't quite as end to end while Ice Hockey is a lot more fluid, so it's hard to really know how it'll affect the game without trials of some sort. I can see the reasoning though, as it provides instant punishment for the game in which the offence occurs, rather than having 10+ yellows meaning you are banned for the next game, in which case players may get a "tactical" yellow ahead of a big game.

 

I agree with the other points about a quota (to promote British talent) and see no harm in televised debates. Not sure what the disclosure of the presidents salary would do, unless I somehow contribute to his wages (through taxes or ticket sales or something?)

[weymouthPIE]

Wouldnt be too keen on this idea myself, think it'd just ruin the game for the fans. I do however think it should be a straight red card for diving. That'd soon make players think twice if they didn't get second chances

[Feral Fox]

I think most are ideas that might work. The tv debate idea is a non-starter tbh. Who would seriously watch it?

Sin-bin idea might work, but it might be open to being abused.

Overall, as someone else said, better referees would be a starting point rather than having even more rules to confuse them with!

[ivansneck]

Better referees will never happen, they're error-prone human beings - it's impossible to change that.

 

What could happen, is better performances by the existing officials and changing the ethos and management of the game to enable them to make a higher proportion of correct decisions. However, nobody in the governance of football really wants to do this. Minor rule changes are peeing into the wind. This is not pedantry, this is saying if you really want things to be "better", you must look at the issue in a different way.

[upthepies]

All right all right, I'll give you my opinion. I just like being the instigator of discussions, that's all

 

The rules I like are about instilling respect for the referee, as it makes my blood boil when I see 4-5 players getting up in the face of the referee. Rugby has it right in that respect. Saying that, we all know how poor officials can be in this league, however when has a player shouting at the ref ever really changed his mind?

 

I'd have to hear what the proposal would be to replace the "Triple Punishment" as I think just getting rid of 1 of the 3 wouldn't instantly make it better.

 

In terms of orange cards, are there any sports with a similar tempo to Football that have sin-binning. Rugby isn't quite as end to end while Ice Hockey is a lot more fluid, so it's hard to really know how it'll affect the game without trials of some sort. I can see the reasoning though, as it provides instant punishment for the game in which the offence occurs, rather than having 10+ yellows meaning you are banned for the next game, in which case players may get a "tactical" yellow ahead of a big game.

 

I agree with the other points about a quota (to promote British talent) and see no harm in televised debates. Not sure what the disclosure of the presidents salary would do, unless I somehow contribute to his wages (through taxes or ticket sales or something?)

No need to hide lad, join in as you did here.

Good post!