The reason Notts County are going downhill

[NewarkPie]

Why Notts County are going downhill

Hi all, over the past few years we have seen our beloved club dissolve slowly and now it has come to a point where the fans are turning against certain people and have no clue who to blame. Each fan has suggested ideas on social medias on how we can move on and make the club ‘big’ again, however, 80% of the ideas seem to have been thrown back into our face, forcing fans to not attend games and become very frustrated with how the club is run.

The Trews

There is no doubt that the Trews have had a massive impact on our team and helping our club from going into administration after the Munto season. A huge part of the fans praise them for putting 7 million pounds of their own money into our club by just paying off debts. But since then, what have they done to help the club move forward?

They have sacked manager after manager without giving them a fair shout, EG: Shaun Derry, he did the unforgettable and kept us in league one in the 2013/14 season which at the time, seemed like a dream to most fans. He had an unbelievable start to the 2014/15 season sitting 3^rd in the league in October, runner up for manager of the month too, fans saw faith in him, but unfortuantly he did make mistakes and he did get us relegated that year, but if I was Ray Trew, I would of kept him on as we had seen what he could do in league 1( especially with the budget ricardo had, compared to derrys ) , but no, they decided to get rid of him and hire Ricardo Moniz… Now Shaun Derry is manager of Cambridge United in League 2 and is doing brilliantly, same goes for Keith Curle and Carlisle, while Notts crumble in 17^th Position. Having already sacked moniz back in early January, the Trews had a chance to bring in  an experienced manager to try and secure notts a promotion spot. The likes of Mark Cooper, John Sheridan and Malky McKay where all potential managerial appointments, but no… They choose the most out of the blue manager ever… Jamie Fullarton, all because he had a good interview? Another words it was the cheap option as we all knew…

Guy Branston

This guy… WOW. As Head Of Recruitment, you would expect he would know what he is doing and what to look for in a player, to some fans this does not seem the case. He has appointed over 40 players in the past 2 YEARS! How many of them have paid off? He clearly doesn’t have an eye for appointing talented players who would fit in well with our team. A lot of fans are against him on social medias and we believe that he should of gone when Moniz did.

Jamie Fullarton

Fair enough this man has only had 2 games in charge, but in that time he has managed to stop our dreadful away form, play 5 players out of position against Wimbledon and cancel Jimmy Spencer contract!? We understand Jimmy wasn’t a regular starter, but when you have players like Izale mcleod up top who is lazy ( yes he scores goals but jimmy could from 5 yards out aswell. ) it makes you think why is Jimmy not on the bench? Same with Genaro Snidjers? He should be starting week in week out, he had the chance to play Snidjers at LW on Saturday but chose to play Blair Adams there?! Where is Aborah? No where to been seen since Fullarton took charge! He isn’t going down well in fans’ eyes.

So… what needs to change?!

-NewarkPie

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I would echo what I have been saying about stability, Will we see more players leave who are connected to our past? - as it seems we are trying to forge a new identity amongst the players. I really long for a season whereby we have someone at the helm who fans respect and trust, I think the majority would accept it - if we can see what is trying to be achieved.

Drop 'the plan', we aim for promotion etc. Focus on the foundation, not short terms was of obating short cuts to get there quicker.

Right now it will take a few seasons to correct in my honest opinion - I'm surrpised we have managed to sign players like Burke/Campbell who could do much better elsewhere, both players are gems for us - Campbell certainly but I would hate for him to be held back by us. I think a season whereby the expectations are low would make a huge difference, go back to basics and hopefully get Fullarton some help.

If he doesn't work out, I don't think we can blame him.

Mutliple fans have told me 'It's the decision to appoint him', which is fair - I don't think many are against Fullarton in truth. Yet it makes me keep wanting to type 'stop taking gambles'. We just continue to do this, from players, to policies, the transfer panel, scouting etc.

Also, I hope Fullarton works - as do most people I suspect but it's creating many issues which won't just go a way.

Being told by people they have simply lost 'faith' - actually makes me very depressed.

[liampie]

im at a loss to put my feeling into words.

i do not think its a single thing or so easy to point the finger, i just think appointing an experienced manager may have helped this situation to cool down. i know some will say fans are overreacting but its the same thing repeated time and time again.

[upthepies]

Name the teams who hire and fire like there is no tomorrow, you will see a striking contrast linking them.

Once activated, its hard to get out of the trend.

Both ourselves and Forest for example have become a joke for this, yet one has tried to stop it the other continues! The only difference between us and them is Fawaz actually tries to hire the right man to succeed.

[cheeky~k8]

Stability of the team players and re-occurrence of sacking managers really doesn't help the situation. Notts really need to get players in that play well together and keep a consistant team so they learn to play together, otherwise i think we'll have the same problems all the time. A cheaper manager isn't always the best option... that certainly needs to be learnt.

[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

appoint a good manager let him bring his staff in and his players in not some clowns behind the scene saying sign him becuase guy said so 

[Piety]

10 hours ago, Modern Fan 1862 👍 said:

appoint a good manager

Unfortunately there are 91 other clubs in the leagues and half of them would like to do the same.

Who is a good manager? José Morinio, who failed at Real Madrid and Chelski.   J F Hasselbank  was having success  at Burton, moved to QPR and hasn't won a game.

If you were a good manager, why would you want to come to Notts. What can we offer, that other teams around us cant..

I don't have a problem with JF being manager. If his walk is half as good as his talk  we will be ok. I would however like to see a clarification of the roll that every one plays at ML. to me the manager needs to be responsible for signings, as he is the one who will be sacked if they fail.  

 

[Northants Pie]

The simple truth of it all no matter which way you look at it is..

It's only a mistake if you make it once

[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

3 hours ago, Piety said:

Unfortunately there are 91 other clubs in the leagues and half of them would like to do the same.

Who is a good manager? José Morinio, who failed at Real Madrid and Chelski.   J F Hasselbank  was having success  at Burton, moved to QPR and hasn't won a game.

If you were a good manager, why would you want to come to Notts. What can we offer, that other teams around us cant..

I don't have a problem with JF being manager. If his walk is half as good as his talk  we will be ok. I would however like to see a clarification of the roll that every one plays at ML. to me the manager needs to be responsible for signings, as he is the one who will be sacked if they fail.  

 

thing is Jose mourinho and others have actually managed they have valid expierence of the job and the role .

 

This guy has no expierence or done the job role that's the difference 

[Piety]

18 hours ago, Modern Fan 1862 👍 said:

This guy has no expierence or done the job role that's the difference

Yes JF is inexperienced in the roll of manager,  but as I understand it he has taken all his coaching badges and this is the next natural step. 

You say, "appoint a good manager" in a throw away line as if its a simple thing to do. The fact is, that when a manager is successful everyone wants to hire  him.

 So the question remains, why would a good manager want to come to Notts?

Supporters with ridiculous expectations, little room for error or time to settle in no money a poor balance to the squad. 

I cannot think of many reasons that would make any one, who is recognised as a good manager, take the job.

[NewNottsFan]

18 hours ago, Modern Fan 1862 👍 said:

thing is Jose mourinho and others have actually managed they have valid expierence of the job and the role .

 

This guy has no expierence or done the job role that's the difference 

Modern Fan...where was Jose Mourinho's first managerial break in the game? Benfica ! you think their fans look back with anger about giving a rookie a chance? 

 

[Turkey_Twizzler]

Personally I think we are going down hill because someone fixed that old wheelbarrow of ours! The cheek of the guy! He must be sacked immediately, especially for getting two away wins and clean sheets!

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[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

10 hours ago, Piety said:

Yes JF is inexperienced in the roll of manager,  but as I understand it he has taken all his coaching badges and this is the next natural step. 

You say, "appoint a good manager" in a throw away line as if its a simple thing to do. The fact is, that when a manager is successful everyone wants to hire  him.

 So the question remains, why would a good manager want to come to Notts?

Supporters with ridiculous expectations, little room for error or time to settle in no money a poor balance to the squad. 

I cannot think of many reasons that would make any one, who is recognised as a good manager, take the job.

hold on hold on no MONEY who else has paid 150K for a striker who scored 21 goals in league one ?

No one but us to say it's poor money is a joke if you look at this league realistically we probaly have top 4 budget so we're no money has come from is a joke sorry.

Maybe a manager could focus on what a manager focuses on such as bring his own staff and own players etc maybe then 

But I think there is only Portsmouth Luton Oxford who may spend more or be on a similar budget this year 

 

[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

10 hours ago, NewNottsFan said:

Modern Fan...where was Jose Mourinho's first managerial break in the game? Benfica ! you think their fans look back with anger about giving a rookie a chance? 

 

the difference is benfica have always been in the top end of Portugal league top flight were above the conference they can afford to give a rookie a chance it's like man Utd givin a rookie  a job.

You have to be a extreme idiot to mess it up hopefully he makes us more attacking at home an he could be on to a winner everyone will expect a win at home against Hartlepool.

As there right in the bottom

[Fozzy]

Ray seems obsessed in trying to find the next Eddie Howe from somewhere, hence all the first time managers he keeps employing. Personally I see little point in this because once he does find him and he has success, a big club will come along and just take him away leaving us back at square one.

Guy Branston is an issue that desperately needs addressing. To the fans, he appears to be running the club and the recruitment, he needs to be booted into the background and told to find some decent centre halves, which is a job for Julian Winter.

[NewNottsFan]

59 minutes ago, Modern Fan 1862 👍 said:

the difference is benfica have always been in the top end of Portugal league top flight were above the conference they can afford to give a rookie a chance it's like man Utd givin a rookie  a job.

You have to be a extreme idiot to mess it up hopefully he makes us more attacking at home an he could be on to a winner everyone will expect a win at home against Hartlepool.

As there right in the bottom

So how many rookies have walked through the doors at old Trafford ? Not many I would suggest 

[allardyces tash]

11 hours ago, ohstanleyaborah said:

Personally I think we are going down hill because someone fixed that old wheelbarrow of ours! The cheek of the guy! He must be sacked immediately, especially for getting two away wins and clean sheets!

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Spot on, I agree! Break the wheel off!?!

[NewNottsFan]

30 minutes ago, Fozzy said:

Ray seems obsessed in trying to find the next Eddie Howe from somewhere, hence all the first time managers he keeps employing. Personally I see little point in this because once he does find him and he has success, a big club will come along and just take him away leaving us back at square one.

Guy Branston is an issue that desperately needs addressing. To the fans, he appears to be running the club and the recruitment, he needs to be booted into the background and told to find some decent centre halves, which is a job for Julian Winter.

This fellas name keeps coming up and I've got to show my ignorance of the set up and say I don't know his exact role but what I can tell you is that Fullarton will not be dictated to. He knows that this is his first , and big chance to make an impact as a manager at a club which can punch way above where it currently is. Players and staff alike are either there to help , or hinder .. He won't suffer fools 

[Blink1862]

Derry did the whole "I'm the boss", "the players must respect me". He got rid of people he deemed difficult manager, hit the same problems and tried the same thing. I know Scots are supposed to be all firey but suffering fools is the wrong approach. He needs to approach it as a man manager and understand if he has difficulties, he will have to be wise about it. 

[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

I don't care what anyone says employing anyone widout managerial expierence is a risk at league 2 and while Jose may have been a rookie at benfica as @NewNottsFan mentions how long was he involed in the benfica setup.

Not saying Fullarton is going to fail as he has figured the away system it seems but the home system needs to be more attack minded we played far to defensive against Wimbledon.

As for Eddie how me again was involed in the Bournemouth background and system for a while and knew the club the players etc same as Gary monk at Swansea 

[NewNottsFan]

45 minutes ago, Blink1862 said:

Derry did the whole "I'm the boss", "the players must respect me". He got rid of people he deemed difficult manager, hit the same problems and tried the same thing. I know Scots are supposed to be all firey but suffering fools is the wrong approach. He needs to approach it as a man manager and understand if he has difficulties, he will have to be wise about it. 

Totally agree and the 'suffering fools' bit was aimed at the potential for the fella Branston to undermine him (if it was the case). This lad has managed and prepared development squads so knows exactly the difference between a development player and a first team player. Freedman used him at three big clubs to set standards and show players what being a first team player was and what they needed to do to achieve that. That was unpopular with some who were given some home truths by him that they werent maybe as good as they thought they were and that led to some negative press (through fans forums at Bolton specifically).., Now that he is charge ? He knows both sides of that equation and what to expect of his players and staff at these levels 

[NewNottsFan]

18 minutes ago, Modern Fan 1862 👍 said:

I don't care what anyone says employing anyone widout managerial expierence is a risk at league 2 and while Jose may have been a rookie at benfica as @NewNottsFan mentions how long was he involed in the benfica setup.

Not saying Fullarton is going to fail as he has figured the away system it seems but the home system needs to be more attack minded we played far to defensive against Wimbledon.

As for Eddie how me again was involed in the Bournemouth background and system for a while and knew the club the players etc same as Gary monk at Swansea 

But surely now is the time , particularly given the start (apart from Wimbledon) to give him a few games ? 

Doesn't matter what you say about Eddie Howe .. Bournemouth still took a punt on him. 

All I'm saying is that you need to give new folk a chance .. How long that is ? You decide 

But one home defeat in between two away wins with clean sheets and then that's him dead? Come on ... Surely people aren't that desperate for failure to prove a point .., and a point I'm not entirely sure helps anyone at Notts. 

Three winnable games await and I think , now more than ever , Notts need some positivity to kick on 

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[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

come on tho lets all be knowledgeable on this Eddie Howe was a rare kind of his own making there are few and many obviously any manager is a risk some right some not.

But what Eddie had going was he was a player at the club for years coached at the club was always around the boys etc obviously they had a lot of cash to splash which helps.

I think Fullarton has the away system sussed out which is fantastic but I felt against Wimbledon we went to defensive and played like the away team.

If he can line us up more offensive but with a balanced between attack-defence we will be a very good team it's just the right balance play offs are still in touch which I thought they wouldn't be.

Hopefully he may add a face or two before Hartlepool who knows what will happen 

[Modern Notts Fan 🔥]

if we beat Hartlepool at home an then away he will have my blessing 😊 as no manager has beat Hartlepool away since ages I recall don't know the exact date.

But a win at Hartlepool at home is must anythin other then a win is not acceptable they are the poorest side in this league along with York who we have soon