well done to them, thats a very good result and the scorers seem to be regular contributors to the goals netted.

3 hours ago, theAnticlough said:

I never look at X or places like that @liampie. I thought it was bad enough on here and on podcasts, so I can well imagine how terrible it was elsewhere.

We have been blessed in the keeper department for many years, that most haven't been seen as the reason for dropping points. I don't think Kelle Roos is at fault for our poor start, but he certainly contributed towards it and tends to make mistakes most natural keepers wouldn't. I want to see every player succeed, and I don't choose to single out players and that is why I am pleased with the progress he's been making.

I would much rather see him being voted for as the Man of the Match for when Notts have played well, than not. However, there's a lot of praise deserved in his direction for the fact we left Barnet with the 3 points.

It would have been an achievement had we drawn, considering the treat Barnet displayed and I hope we see more of this.

It's unfortunate that Roos hasn't built confidence amongst our supporters, but with more performances of this nature he might just do that. I want to feel like our keeper is protecting games, not ask risk of giving points away and sadly that is how Roos has come across for the most part of his time. Some poor decisions, and erractic behaviour cost us, but he's looking like he is improving which is promising.

11 hours ago, McPie said:

I think the Barnet game has shown that Roos doesn't necessarily need come for crosses if you have central defenders that head everything. Goalkeepers that have to collect a lot of crosses maybe play behind defenders that are not particularly good in the air. If our defenders play like they did against Barnet then Roos will prove to be a good goalie for us.

True, but I think when you have a keeper that is confident enough to come and take crosses it takes the pressure off the defence to head everything away. He was solid yesterday but I would still like to see Roos try and be a bit more pro-active when it comes to dealing with crosses. I just feel like a keeper has such a big advantage here, they can jump with their hands in the air and get comfortably higher than any player can with their head.

22 hours ago, theAnticlough said:

I never look at X or places like that @liampie. I thought it was bad enough on here and on podcasts, so I can well imagine how terrible it was elsewhere.

i think some areas like to be the biggest moaners, happy when we win but confrontational if results dont go notts way.

i like seeing well thought out criticism, i dont like when its personal or just negative for the sake of it.

The kind of Notts win today that gives hope that Notts can go places this season.

im looking forward to finishing work, i can feel the cold like others have mentioned. it cant make its mind up, if it will be sunny or cloudy and rainy. its the wind that makes it chilling.

yes, he looked very good. a lot of barnet players tried keeping it in the air early on but kanu looked a real threat when they switched to the floor.

Ryan Glover would be high on my list of players to watch, with Anthony Hartigan and Nnamdi Ofoborh not far behind. I thought Barnet played very well and stuck to their game plan, which they executed to make us struggle to pick out passes forward.

Idris Kanu does look like a good winger, and Barnet does have several very good establishing talents.

Adam Senior is another player to watch out for, as he's a good defender.

Yes @TheSkipper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Senior He was impressive at Halifax too

Oh and no mention of the words 'board' and 'technical' in any particular order.

I think that's for the best, as it was a mistake which put unnecessary pressure on people and scrutiny of the process. Let that kind of thing happen informally

I wonder if the technical board was put in place because the owners didn't have the same confidence in Roberto Gagliardi as they do with Richard Montague? I think his increased responsibility seems to suggest they trust him more to deliver what they want.

RM was on the Tube after the game. He's still living in Swansea. Seems like an affable bloke. His return is most welcome.

That's the Problem when your Owner has a Massive Ego and Fails to Keep it in Check. Big Ange has always said he wins something in his Second Season. Trouble is Will He Get That Long?

I don’t see why Notts fans wouldn’t talk about other clubs nearby. Forest and Mansfield are part of the same area, and the rivalry makes it more fun. It’s alright to share news about them if you want to. Just talk about what you feel okay with.

I don’t think they’ll finish higher than 8th again. It’s good when they do well and get into the Premier League because it helps the area. But every club has fans that get on your nerves, even ours sometimes.

14 hours ago, Dripsey3 said:

I'm surprised Forest have doors big enough to fit Marinakis's ego.

I didn’t like that you stopped at ego, but yeah, double doors do exist.

So their latest Manager has been sacked after eight games. How things have gone pear shaped for them. Why oh why does a club change a successful Head Coach & break up the makings of a successful team? It's definitely looks like a case of self harm.

I'm so pleased that Notts have owners with sensible heads on their shoulders.

There is no rule against this and the richest clubs will want to do it, however this Country now has a football regulator in place thanks to government legislation.

I'm sure that the Government could introduce legislation to prevent League matches from being played abroad.

The wishes of the fans who support their Club either at home or away should be paramount & I'm convinced a majority of fans will be against this..

This development goes against the very spirit of the game where teams had home advantage & it was always more difficult for the away side

Allowing clubs to play league matches abroad also alters the mechanics of the league system where a club has, for example in the Premier League 19 home matches & 19 away matches.

Surely a club could rightfully feel aggrieved if they were beaten to the league championship by just a narrow margin & the other club got that narrow margin by winning a game at a neutral venue when that club was deemed the away side. This development will change the game completely.

Nice words from Brian Clough.

I remember that First Division Match between Nottingham Forest & Notts in October 1983 at the City Ground well.

The Notts team was

McDonagh, Worthington, Kilcline, Goodwin, Benjamin, O'Neil, Hunt, Harkouk, Fashanu, Chidozie, Christie

Sub, Richards

Notts Manager: Larry Lloyd

Notts lost 1:3 after taking the lead from a penalty converted by Trevor Christie.

Attendance was 26,658

I was there in the Bridgford end but can't remember much about it. Was that the one where one of our players, maybe David Hunt, got sent off late on for cleaning out a Forest player who was shielding the ball in the corner?

This was around the time Forest played Celtic home and away in the UEFA cup, incredible numbers of Celtic fans that night, came close to being a tragedy apparently.

It was even worse than that @Sheffield Pie Justin Fashanu got himself sent off as well as David Hunt in the 2nd half of that match.

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What's happened to the Bass cash?

Valued at around £400,000, or so it’s said, you’d think there might be better bargains out there for that kind of money. I’m fairly sure the fee for Alex Bass is still sitting in the pot.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/martin-turk/profil/spieler/700643

I would still be interested if he was available come January

This is a great outcome for him and Notts. All offences prior to him joining us and he wasn’t involved in the games - fair enough.

Excellent news all round really.

Great news for Lewis and the team. He can now concentrate fully on playing not having that hanging over him. A good all round footballer just been given the chance for glory. Please take it. 🙏

Probably a sensible decision made, as the offences were of a lesser nature than of Jamie Jellis at Walsall

I agree with the hits, I’ve liked what I’ve seen from all three of them so far and I’ve been impressed with both Iorpenda and Hall in what is effectively their first proper run of competitive football.

I perhaps wouldn’t go as far as saying Kouhyar, Bennetts and Norburn are misses. I think I’d stick them in the neither, but I think part of that is that I’ve not seen a lot of them. I think Bennetts is most likely to be a hit by the end of the season and in his last two matches I’ve been impressed by Kouhyar. Norburn has had good and bad games, but I think part of that is him and Palmer seem to clash when they play together.

I’d be tempted to put Cotter in the miss section; he’s like a more athletic and physical version of Gordon but sloppier on the ball. And he scares me when he’s defending.

Out of the players that we signed either on permanent or loan, for me the hits are Dennis, Iorpenda, Hall & I would included Luker, but he's now become injured & returned to his parent club.

Of the others I would describe Roos as a big miss but he could improve, so I'm not ruling him out just yet. But I would pencil in a replacement for him in January if there isn't a big improvement.

Of the others, I think they are probably near misses who are ok as squad players, those players being Aljofree, Bennetts, Cotter, Norburn & Kouhyar

Of course anyone of these players can improve & Martin Paterson has challenged all of them to fight for a place. Personally I want Will Jarvis to be given a chance now that Luker has become unavailable.

I would send Traoré out on loan to a National League Club to get some game time. We also have Ness waiting in the wings, & Platt is recovering & is on his way back to fitness, so competition for places is certainly going to get hot, & Martin will love it.

Agree with @Robbie and @YoopEyes this is a bad new, he was just starting to find his form. The only positive is it paves the way for Tyrese Hall and Tom Iorpenda to cement the places in the team.

It's a real blow. He'd shown how well he could link up with Jatta and especially Hall. It looked like he had goals and assists in him.

Knee surgery is more often a big deal than a minor clean up. We might not see him back at all.

I hope this opens a window for Jarvis to feature

I was just thinking that @theAnticlough as bad as it is for Jayden we aren’t exactly short of players who could replace him. We’ve seen Hall and Iorpenda seemingly as the two favourites now but Jarvis, Grant and Kouhyar should all be desperate to force their way into the space he's left.

I do feel for Jayden though, because he was just starting to look like he’d have a big part to play for us this season. The statement just says knee and I hope it’s something not as bad as an ACL, we’ve not had much luck with those recently and they can be hard to come back from.

It's nice to see a long standing domestic football tactic is having a rainacence of popularity. It is a very effective way of causing chaos in the opponents penalty area & can prove very effective in creating scoring opportunities for the attacking side.

The long throw tactic is strongly associated with English football, famously used by clubs like Wimbledon in the 1980s. While there is some recent adoption by continental teams, it remains predominantly a feature of the English game & is gaining renewed attention there due to its effectiveness in generating scoring opportunities.

it is nice to see a grand old tactic making a big comeback to the domestic game after the spread of the continental influence over recent years.

I might be in the minority here and I totally get it’s effective and legal but I don't like it… Maybe in part because it's not something we've done but it's caused us problems!

For me it’s like watching rugby, launch the ball as close to the target as possible and get all the biggest blokes around it to force it in. I don’t see much skill in it, aside from being able to throw a ball far, the goals are almost always goal mouth scrambles and then you always get told it’s a really poor goal to concede. But is it though? What can you honestly do if it’s like a mosh-pit in the box and the opposition are just physically stronger than you?

Football does seem to go in cycles though, so the more and more it gets used eventually teams should be better at defending it. If it becomes less effective, they’ll be something else that takes its place.

In short, I believe a Club captain should lead by example & also be vocal when it is needed.

I agree that Matt is back to his best & he does lead by example because he's the consummate professional & his fellow players look up to him.

When a Captain has that level of respect being a little more vocal when it's needed would bring positivity to the team & when I say more vocal that doesn't need to include shouting but can include encouragement & feedback.

Let me also just say that a Club Captain will not just have a role on the playing field but also have a role on the training ground, & before a match, during the match, including at half time & after the match.

Both. Everyone can and should lead by example - you don't need a title or an armband to do that. Having the authority to be vocal with your teammates is part of the captain's job.

I think we are seeing the best version of Matt Palmer right now, he wasn’t bad last season but he’s like a completely new player this season.

I’m not sure footballers really react to be shouted at anymore, if anything you’d probably get a worse response if you were to point and jab and just criticise. A bit of geeing up or being told to switch on or wake up is fine, but constantly going on at certain individuals won't necessarily improve their performance.

I think leading by example and setting the standards first on the training pitch and then on matchdays is what you want to see from a captain and I'm sure Palmer fits this to a tee.

Agreed, nobody should be entitled to play irrespective of performance, attitude and fitness.

Those in possession should have earned it and maintain the required level of consistency - if others are looking sharper/better then they deserve a shot at the first team. Simple really.

I do think the goalkeeper position is the most unique, most teams now a days usually sign a goalkeeper with the intention of them being the first choice. It’s kind of the one position that doesn’t really get changed that much.

That’s not to say the back-up keepers shouldn't be capable of challenging though, but more often than not they are there to step in when an injury occurs. We've found ourselves in a slightly strange scenario, where our first choice isn’t as good as we hoped and Griffiths isn't seemingly quite ready to be the main man yet. So it's a bit of a dilemma, with no obvious answer.

Just from a boring budget point of view it doesn’t make any sense to have two proven goalkeepers because you’ll potentially be paying a lot of money for someone to sit on the bench for the majority of the season and that's just bad business. But by January, we might find ourselves in that scenario…

Nobody should have a right to a place in the team, but the goalkeeper's position is a unique one - if you aren't first choice, you're out of the team for months at a time and there'll be no cameo appearances off the bench either. I'm not opposed to the kind of set-up where two senior keepers fight it out for the number 1 shirt, but realistically we might be a hard sell for s senior goalkeeper if we've already got another one on our books.

It looks like the brothers have prepared Notts very well by improving the financial health of the club, so I don't think that our club will have any problems meeting the new criteria.

I think that in light of this new development with clubs having to prove their financial health other clubs will be looking at the Notts financial model very favourably.

Unfortunately, I don't think that the rich clubs will be affected because of the huge amounts of money that those clubs generate.

I don't think that this development will do anything to prevent the richest clubs dominating the Premier League, & with it the football pyramid.

I still believe that there should be a cap on transfers fees & players wages to try to prevent the richest clubs creaming the best players, thus reducing fair competition.

And stricter control of players agents...Notts must have paid out a bob or 2 in agents fees at the seasons start......the good thing is the payments to agents is published..!°°!!!!!!

It's a step in the right direction, but the proof of the pudding wil be in the eating.

I've had a taste of this in Germany. Sometimes licenses are only granted subject to certain conditions, so if a club's crowd forecasts are too optimistic, they'll be told to lower their budget. Sponsorship agreements are also looked at. Clubs that sail close to the wind or don't submit their documentation on time have been relegated multiple divisions, but others have still managed to slip through the net and go belly-up mid-season.

Overall I don't think more oversight is a bad thing (but get ready for club owners blaming the IFR for budget cuts or demotions). Possibly most importantly, it's there now, a precedent has been set and it can be beefed up in the future to hopefully tackle some of English football's structural issues.

Really great achievement for them, I heard a short bit about this on the radio at lunch today where they interviewed one the players called 'Pico'. He's actually born and raised in Ireland but his father was from Cape Verde and he was approached to play for them via LinkedIn!

Scotland should be burying playing nations like Belarus. I think it's a big shame that the Home Internationals were discontinued.

They used to be so competitive & I really do believe that those end of season finales used to help the home nations especially when it came to competitive match practice.

Whether it's a coincidence or not Scotland has failed to qualify for the World Cup Finals since the team played under Jock Stein in Spain in 1982. The home internationals were abolished in 1983/84 season.

13 hours ago, Robbie said:

Scotland should be burying playing nations like Belarus. I think it's a big shame that the Home Internationals were discontinued.

Really disagree on this. Belarus were a class above Scotland in terms of playing styles. As regards the Home Internationals, England's footballing improvement by playing the better European countries was a consequence of this. Going back to Home Internationals would be a retrograde step IMHO

18 minutes ago, Piethagoram said:

Really disagree on this. Belarus were a class above Scotland in terms of playing styles. As regards the Home Internationals, England's footballing improvement by playing the better European countries was a consequence of this. Going back to Home Internationals would be a retrograde step IMHO

The point I was trying to make is that as Belarus are ranked 100 in the international football ratings. Scotland should really be dominating teams such as this.

The fact that Belarus were a "class above Scotland in terms of playing styles" demonstrates that Scotland have a long way to go before they can reverse their dismal WC record over the last 40 odd years.

Instead of trying to copy the continental style, maybe they should play to their traditional strengths when it comes to playing style.

It’s strange that just about everyone you talk to can see that the goalkeeping department needs to be strengthened except the people that matter. Hopefully the new DoF will quickly identify the problem and set about rectifying it.

I don’t think the club will openly say they are looking for a free-agent goalkeeper because that would basically do it for Roos’ confidence and he’s not exactly full of it at the moment. But that doesn’t mean behind the scenes they aren’t looking into it.

I’m also not sure Blackman would’ve been the answer, the fact Shrewsbury had him and were heading into League 2 but chose not to keep him isn’t a great vote of confidence. A quick glance at the that stats do show he's good when it comes to dealing with high balls in the box, the rest of his stats aren't anything special though and I’ve not seen enough of him playing to know how good (or bad) he really is.

Roos has definitely made some mistakes, I think his shot stopping is fine but his biggest weakest in dealing with set-pieces is (and already has been) exploited in League 2. He’s got to start showing some improvements in this area or he will be replaced at some point.

@menzinho, Shrewsbury have a very poor defence. It reminds me of when we signed Maziar Kouhyar. His past and who he had played with did not matter as much as what he could offer at the time.

Morecambe have pulled off a great signing. It should help them in their push to return to the EFL. That said, it will take a few seasons as they still need to finish the rebuilding work that is already under way.

Jamal Blackman might have been a stronger choice for us. But with Kelle Roos already here, Notts will not want two goalkeepers who both expect to play every week. Even so, it could have created strong competition.