I had a good think about not supporting Notts until the current owners are gone. What I came to realize is that Notts County belongs to the supporters, not to what ever owner is charge at at given moment in time. We will be still here long after the current owners are but a distant memory. So I will continue to support the club and give praise and criticism where appropriate. 

Bang on. We can and should criticise the board online, but at Meadow Lane support is needed, not boos. Let's give the new man every chance to succeed, even if we privately don't believe in him.

I agree that booing the new boss is unfair. He did nothing more than bang in a cheeky job application, made a few pretty power-points and hit lucky with a daft chairman who never learns from his mistakes. As far as he's concerned result. He is now the boss and if he wants to make players stand on one leg for hours that's up to him now!

The bigger threat should and probably will come from people not attending at all and the gates falling, thus hitting Trew, not the manager.

Hopefully Fullarton will sort the defence out quick time and still play attacking football and Ray will be able to say, "told you I knew what I was doing (if you forget all the other managers I've hired and fired)"

and all fans will be happy, but lets be honest. Can't see it myself. If Moniz, who as an attacking manager failed, bearing in mind he had a pedigree when he came here, what are the chances a rookie with no experience whatsoever will do well? What were the odds of winning the lottery the other night? 45 million to 1? That''ll fit.

 

1 hour ago, Dripsey3 said:

I had a good think about not supporting Notts until the current owners are gone. What I came to realize is that Notts County belongs to the supporters, not to what ever owner is charge at at given moment in time. We will be still here long after the current owners are but a distant memory. So I will continue to support the club and give praise and criticism where appropriate. 

Ah but it isn't - that's the crux of the problem. The UK's football 'clubs' are NOT clubs. You and I can't join them. They are a business selling entertainment in the same way as Tescos sells food. Football clubs have a greater brand loyalty than supermarkets, but they overestimate it. The average annual 'churn' in season tickets across the 92 is nearly 20%. Manchester United can fill the vacancies but Notts County can't to the same extent.

People do change their football allegiances, all the research proves it. Just not usually to a 'direct competitor' like you and I would do from say Tescos to Sainsbury's, but maybe to non-league or to their now-local team if they have moved areas. I have so-called loyalty cards for businesses, but they are not trying to masquerade as 'clubs', just using them as a tool to increase business.

Borussia Moenchengladbach is a club of which @Blackville and I are members. We have a say, albeit 1 vote out of 70 000, in all appointments. In the early 1990's the members did rebel against the direction the club was heading in and voted out the Paesidium and President, the equivalent of the Board and the Chair. They didn't have to be bought out because they didn't own anything worth more than 1 vote - same as me.

It is the time for peaceful protest. One method used in Germany is to enter the ground but stay behind the stand(s) until say the 5 minute mark so the Board see a completely empty Kop for example. It's very effective because it is legal, peaceful and looks good on TV etc.

No matter what, it's always 'ours' because we are here for a lifetime or should be.

Owners make mistakes, I think things will settle - when they do, hopefully we will be pushing forwards and trying to progress out of this division. We really can't say what will happen just yet.

Without the dream that someday Notts will find a manager to lead us to the promised land we may as well give up now. I don't go to a game hoping that I will be entertained by 2 sides playing good football, and at the end of the season we will be reasonably placed in the top half of the division.

I want a team that believes it can do the impossible every week, and beat anyone who we play.

for years at the end of the season we let the best players go, and were left with average players who never looked like winning anything. Who in there right mind would want to go and watch what was served up then. They don't come to see me when I am bad. Ricky was a  new broom a chance to try something new, but a  gamble that didn't pay off.

If Fullerton is no good, he will be asked to leave by Notts. If he is good he will be asked to leave by a bigger club. This is his chance to shine, and I for one hope he takes it.

A look at the faces in the crowd will tell you that we have an aging support base and we need to get younger people interested. The next generation of supporters will not want to watch a team that is happy to stay afloat. How can mid table in div 1 or 2 compete in the playground with Man U/ City, Chelski,and the arsenil etc.

We need the dream, we need unrealistic expectations and we need a manager and  team that is aiming to fulfil them. 

If Fullarton backfires, I am sorry but Ray will have to look to move on because he has caused enough disruption by his insane decisions. I value and respect what good he has done but on as a whole it hasn't been good enough.

I am sorry if you do not like this.

8 minutes ago, BigMag said:

If Fullarton backfires, I am sorry but Ray will have to look to move on because he has caused enough disruption by his insane decisions. I value and respect what good he has done but on as a whole it hasn't been good enough.

I am sorry if you do not like this.

I don't think he should move on just go for an experienced manager that plays easy on the eye attacking football, makes millions for the club through the sale of young players and increases crowd numbers.

 

 

i just hope this does not mean we aim to go to lightweight because the last time we tried that, it just did not work.

the club is ours.

 

 

People forget that it takes a owner to invest and fans to support, without the two there is no point in existing. I do feel we should have gone for a manager who has the ability to fix the issue we see week in, week out on the field and I do feel this is the cheap option.

I hope there is light at the end of the road, this season could take a nasty turn for the worst.

Ray Trew it would appear, makes things happen. He could take the safe option, there are a lot of experienced , but failed managers looking for work. we could pick one from the list, run along with the pack and see what happens. Instead, he has taken a gamble on an ambitious rookie who knows that his management career will sink or swim in line with Notts County's performance.  

This is his first roll in charge, and it appears that the knives are already being sharpened. I would urge you to get behind Fullaton, but I am worried that he will then be stabbed in the back.

With a large number of clubs up for sale, without the remote bit of interest from buyers, can I suggest that  unless they have around £10m to invest in the pies, the idiots who are calling for Mr Trew to go should keep quiet. They are simply  highlighting that they don't know what they are doing.

Ray Trew has made more money than most of us will ever see. you don't do that without taking an occasional risk to get ahead of the competition. He will also want to protect his investment by keeping an eye on the new man to ensure that things begin to happen. Things are not as we had hoped at ML and some changes are needed,  But as it stands, if Ray walks away we are history.    

In the modern age, these owners use a club like a play-toy for a few years and then throw it onto the next person. 

As a fan of one such club, we can only hope that we still have a club to support come the end.


Let's get things straight - Ray and Aileen Trew were not Notts fans before they bought the club. If you're mate from down the pub switched teams he supported so quickly he'd be ridiculed. The only difference is, the Trews have *somehow* managed to get a bit of dosh, and it then becomes acceptable to use clubs as a play-thing. Do they have the fans best interest at heart? Probably not, it's all about some fantasy/interest in football/ego building. The fans for these type of owners are there for one thing: income. What I find most depressing is that the state of football nowadays, you pretty much need these business people propping up your club if you ever want to achieve anything.

There are far worse owners than the Trews. Munto, for one. Then take a look at the Oyston family, or even the fridge magnet across the bridge. However, there are surely a lot better owners. I supported the Trews 100% when they first came in - we still have them to thank for saving our club in the first place. That will long be forgotten if they continue this downward spiral.

A couple of things.

How long does the loyalty for saving us from admin last then? 2 years, five yrs, 10 yrs? forever?

 

Yes Ray does make things happen. Both good and bad. He has made some STUPID mistakes over the course of his tenure and some very good ones.

He has pumped money that most can only dream of, but then again, surely owning a football club in the first place is more than most can dream of.

He has paved the way for good players to come in over the years and has, as most clubs do, let them go again. Nothing against that in the long term.

Managerial wise though his track record is dire. In fact the only real successful manager was Cotts and he didn't want to come due to finances being withheld. I am sure with hindsight Ray would say he should have pushed the boat out for Steve C, not gone for Short or any of the other failures we've employed.

To have 4 rookies on the trot and each one failed must show some level  of mismanagement. Every fan is entitled to their view and I think your response is quite patronising to those that disagree with you @Piety. 

The new manager will get his run as all managers will do. Of course it will be hostile, but that should be primarily be aimed at Trew, who regardless of how much money he makes in his other businesses, which I respect him for, he still charges me every season to sit and watch MY team, so that in itself entitles me to an opinion, regardless whether it is different to his or yours or not. If you pay, you deserve a voice.

Regarding the idiots who have made stupid threats towards the Trews, they should be investigated and locked away as far as I'm concerned. The rise of social media and the Inet has seen a generation of keyboard warriors make stupid comments that they probably wouldn't have the balls to make to someone's face.

 

Regarding the comment if Ray walks away...well if he does walk away, he isn't getting any return at all as you put it. No business man sells a business and on the day he decides to sell, never has anything to do with it again, especially not one that still has other businesses on the go.

Will someone else buy? We will never know until it happens will we?

Yes they saved us from admin. Yes we are thankful. Have they made shrewd decisions with their hiring and firing of managers? NO and fans will continue to moan when the bleeding obvious things such as success and experience are ignored.

Every manager is a failure when they leave a club then? It's the nature of the job!

 

 

And as a point of courtesy to all members @Piety please next time try not to put a whole message in bold writing. Not needed.

I'm hoping we can just grab a point this weekend, then build from that - I'm not sure Ray sees us as a toy, he's spent a lot of money and yes some can say he's wasted it but it's his. I am more focused on seeing us regroup and move forward, it's going to be difficult.

If Jamie Fullarton gets off to a bad start, it will just become harder for him.

I am grateful to Ray & Aileen for their investment in the club and I was extremely relieved when they chose not to put us into administration after Munto. I don't agree with some of the managerial decisions that have been made and as a loyal supporter and season ticket holder I am entitled to my opinion. I'm willing to give Jamie Fullarton a chance but I do see his appointment as a massive gamble! I don't understand why people feel the need to be so abusive and vile towards the owners. There isn't a queue of people at Meadow Lane waiting to invest millions in the club so demanding the current owners leave is ridiculous. Jamie has a very tough job and for the sake of our club's future let's hope he does succeed!! 

1 hour ago, hissingdwarf said:

next time try not to put a whole message in bold writi

Unfortunately due to a problem with my eyes, I have difficulties with close up work such as writing, so I need to increase the size and use bold in order to read the text.

On this occasion I forgot to change it back, but I do apologise to any one who was offended by my mistake.

4 hours ago, hissingdwarf said:''

Regarding the comment if Ray walks away...well if he does walk away, he isn't getting any return at all as you put it. No business man sells a business and on the day he decides to sell, never has anything to do with it again, especially not one that still has other businesses on the go.

Will someone else buy? We will never know until it happens will we?

The comment " if Ray walks away" .is mine, but I never mentioned anything about getting any return. Perhaps  you have attributed the remark to me in error.

The fact is with all the poisoned remarks and comments that keep appearing, I think that the Trew's  may  get tired of it all then sell the club for what ever they can get, and take the loss. That is only my opinion, but I fail to see any reason why they should stay in the face of such criticism.

@hissingdwarf said

Will someone else buy? We will never know until it happens will we?

Years ago  my father and I paid a large sum of money into the supporters trust in order to keep the club going. They were dark days, a poor team, no money, no hope. Off the top of my head we had Bill Dearden, Colin Murphy, Jocky Scott as manager during that time. Is this the kind of leader you want? All experienced, older men,  who where happy to avoid the bottom 2 places of the fourth tier, but never really had the drive to pushed the team onwards. 

I had high hopes that with Munto the club would come alive.  We know what happened there and had Ray Trew not stopped us going out of the league I think the club would have folded.

I am sorry you thought my comments patronising, even the ones I didn't make, but Notts County is my team and whilst I respect your right to criticise Notts for appointing Fullerton, I think we should let him get in his office first.

A rookie manager may be a gamble I am willing to accept, driving out the owners, with no one to fill the void a move which could be terminal, is not. 

No right thinking person would condone the kind of treatment the Trews are/have been getting, whatever they have done they don't deserve to be receiving death threats or any of the comments that have been said elsewhere.

i didn't agree with the dismissal of Moniz or the appointment of Fullarton but I wouldn't send death threats or abuse the family.

I agree with @Piety there is a danger they could get sick of the whole business and cut their losses and leave a dangerous void.

Much as I strongly disagree with the decisions made recently we've got to get on with it and hope things turn out ok.

we just seem to be finding ways to make it difficult for ourselves, either that or the quickest way of becoming a joke.

On 11/01/2016 at 17:17, allardyces tash said:

People forget that it takes a owner to invest and fans to support, without the two there is no point in existing. I do feel we should have gone for a manager who has the ability to fix the issue we see week in, week out on the field and I do feel this is the cheap option.

I hope there is light at the end of the road, this season could take a nasty turn for the worst.

At present it does take an owner to invest, but should it? Not in my opinion. The only reason invetment is needed is that players wages are vastly too high. If the FA capped them at say 50% income - not including donations - investment would not be needed, ownership would not be needed.

If a wealthy supporter, wanted to invest in the 'club', then let them improve facilities (as the Trews have done) or the academy etc. etc. English football and clubs like NCFC are in this predicament because of the insipid and corrupt FA.

9 hours ago, Piety said:

Ray Trew it would appear, makes things happen. He could take the safe option, there are a lot of experienced , but failed managers looking for work. we could pick one from the list, run along with the pack and see what happens. Instead, he has taken a gamble on an ambitious rookie who knows that his management career will sink or swim in line with Notts County's performance.  

This is his first roll in charge, and it appears that the knives are already being sharpened. I would urge you to get behind Fullaton, but I am worried that he will then be stabbed in the back.

With a large number of clubs up for sale, without the remote bit of interest from buyers, can I suggest that  unless they have around £10m to invest in the pies, the idiots who are calling for Mr Trew to go should keep quiet. They are simply  highlighting that they don't know what they are doing.

Ray Trew has made more money than most of us will ever see. you don't do that without taking an occasional risk to get ahead of the competition. He will also want to protect his investment by keeping an eye on the new man to ensure that things begin to happen. Things are not as we had hoped at ML and some changes are needed,  But as it stands, if Ray walks away we are history.    

Occasional risk I accept is necessary, in my opinion this is 1 risk too far. I feel the Trews have been excellent custodians of Notts, except when it comes to appointing managers. I'm worried that this one area will bring the whole enterprise down on their heads and ours.

I much prefer the membership model @ivansneck, but one club can't do it alone, it needs to be implemented across the board. This would require action from the FA or from the world of politics, which I can't see right now, sadly.

Not all fans in Germany are club members, and many first teams are limited companies seperate from the actual club. I think the OP is talking about the emotional connection us fans feel.

16 minutes ago, DangerousSausage said:

I much prefer the membership model @ivansneck, but one club can't do it alone, it needs to be implemented across the board. This would require action from the FA or from the world of politics, which I can't see right now, sadly.

Not all fans in Germany are club members, and many first teams are limited companies seperate from the actual club. I think the OP is talking about the emotional connection us fans feel.

I agree with your points, especially that 1 club can't do it alone. In terms of emotional connection, that's true, but it would be nice if there was some reciprocation from the 'club', however small. Otherwise it's unrequited love.

Poiniantly, look at what the fans are feeling in St Louis this morning. One 'club' has relocated in this country, there's still nothing to stop another doing so.

I was a little confused with the appointment of Fullarton but having thought about it why not eh? Yeah Ray could have gone for Cooper who by the sounds of it thought he'd already got the job, maybe that's what lost him the job. However his record is a little up and down, did well in his last job with a top budget though and still got sacked!

We need to give the new man a chance to see what he can do. Ray is pretty much drinking in the last chance saloon here but as said above you don't become successful by not taking chances....although he does seem to fail from time to time

A win away at Crawley should shut a few abusive cretins up There are quite a few of those on the Notts County Supporters Faceache page!