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Scotland are out of Euro 24 after losing to Hungary with virtually the last kick of the match.
Scotland were denied a clear penalty with just three minutes to go. The referee said no to a penalty and the incident didn't even go to VAR, which is inexplicable.
The BBC pundits all agreed that it should have been a penalty. If VAR is supposed to be there to check if a Ref makes a mistake in penalty decisions, why are there inconsistencies with VAR?
Overall, Scotland just didn't do enough in the game from the possession they had. They lacked quality up front and didn't really threaten the Hungary goal till the last ten minutes of the game.
Did anyone see the game and if you did what are your views on Scotland?
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Scotland has always suffered from the fact that their League system is so weak
They have two sides in Rangers & Celtic who would struggle to get out of the Championship and the rest of the Premier League is top of English League 1 standard only.
The rest of the teams outside their Premier League, some of our National league sides would beat them.
And because more & more foreigners are coming in, the Scottish players get less & less game time & have to come to England.
Scotland used to rely on big name players in the past, who played in the old first divisions like Dalglish, McLeish, McStay, McCoist, Robertson, Law & McAlister when they used to beat England quite often.
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Scotland had a shot at advancing, but after their initial loss to Germany, I always felt it wouldn’t materialise. It was a crushing defeat, marked by the most defensive football I’ve seen all tournament. In their second game, they should have strived to maintain their lead against the Swiss. Instead, they narrowly avoided a loss, as they were outplayed in the final 20 minutes.
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On 24/06/2024 at 07:40, Piethagoram said:
If Armstrong hadn't have grabbed Orban's shirt, I think that was the element of doubt that prevented the penalty being given
i think the referee seen it has two players coming together, armstrong does have a hold of the player but he also puts his left knee/foot out in an aggerated way that makes me think he knew he would be brought down. i am not sure its a penalty, because what can the defender do? hes not going to magically stop running.
the slow down really does show the defender made no intention to bring him down, it was forced due to movement.
armstrong may have done better to naturally shield the ball and remove his arms from the defender, as he could have got a shot away or made the defender react in a way that was to bring him down. not two players coming together because one saw the opportunity to come together.
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Very Good Point @Robbie perhaps the only Comfort we Fans can take is the statement from Richard Montague , when he and Joe Palmer appeared on the Magpie Circle pod cast, in which he stated Notts don't have to sell Players and it take a Huge Offer to Prise Macca from the Lane. Also take Comfort that Macca doesn't want to Leave. But every Player has his Price, and according to some Reports Macca is already on his way to Millwall , with only Personal Terms to be Agreed.
If that's the case (and it's a Big If) you would have thought the Club would have come out with a Statement on the matter By saying Nothing would be totally Unprofessional and I wouldn't call the Notts Board Unprofessional.
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Possible reason for the silence? Season ticket sales. Maybe by making him captain they wanted to boost season ticket sales too.
There's been a big push for season ticket sales during the last week before the cheaper renewal deadline expires.
I wonder if the sales are behind last year's figures.Notts need to be open and honest with supporters if Macca is on the point of going.
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i noticed that @ARLukomski tweeted this, its a shame but we did a similar thing by gutting our promotion winning team and its not always the best idea. obviously teams are coming in for the crawley players, but its going to be hard for them to stay up in league one imo. i really think they will struggle and its a shame because they had done so well together.
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Kane Hemmings would have certainly benefited from being in a squad like ours now. I have no doubt that he would have been clinical. He’s such a strong player at this level, Crewe should be thrilled with the signing.
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I have to go against the grain here... Yes he was hard working, but never thought for once, he was a natural finisher. Much preferred Kristian Dennis
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20 hours ago, Wheelbarrow repair man said:
I Always thought Jonathan Forte Got A Raw Deal at Notts. He should have played more and I think if he'd had gotten a Decent Run in the Side, he would have scored many more Goals. He's Retired Now I Believe Through Injury.
kevin nolan had it in for jonathan forte, it was a silly decision because when he played he scored.
i totally agree with you @Wheelbarrow repair man, yes he suffered a serious injury and has retired. he now runs a football school and coaches young players.
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horrible to see they need such a huge amount of money in order to survive, that sort of cash is difficult to come back and it looks very disappointing. i hope southend can overcome it but its looking unlikely.
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I thought everything was alright now? I read that a group came in and found a way to save Southend?
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Sorry, I thought he was rather incompetent. He seemed capable, but he was either lazy or lacked effort.
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I never rated him highly. I thought he was decent enough, but he wasn’t the quickest and always seemed to want the ball delivered straight to him. People criticised Yoann Arquin for this reason, but Balint Bajner was far more lackadaisical.
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Spot on @theMagpies extra kudos for using the word "lackadaisical"
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Is returning home for family reasons, he’ll be a big miss, I hope it’s only temporarily.
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Don't think his Kid will thank him if that's the case. Once the Lad's grown up and he can watch all the antics Gazza's been up to over the years, he ain't going to be impressed with his Old Man. You Named Me After Him? Cheers Dad.
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I’m not sure, but it seems like a blend of Gazza’s flashes of brilliance and his father’s talent. He could be a star in the making! The England team could use a practical joker right now, someone to lighten the mood amidst the pressure of performances and results. We just need to steer him clear of the more distressing aspects associated with Paul Gascoigne.
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I'm pleased for him and his family. I hope he comes back focused and determined to help us if we get through. I'm not sure if he'll be back in time to play, but we have other players who can step in if needed.
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So here we are, another weekend beckons, what’s happening in your life?
At the moment Mrs T is cooking one of her famous home made curries made with paneer, it smells lovely.
Tomorrow I’m hoping to do my 100th park run, I’ve had a dodgy knee but I think it’s ok now so I’ll give it a go.
Sunday I’ll be watching the match no doubt shouting at the telly.
Whats everyone else up to?
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As for me, I can’t say I have anything thrilling planned. I’ll probably be watching whatever games are on TV. The rest of my plans will depend on the weather. If it’s nice, I might treat myself to a Sunday dinner at the local pub.
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tomorrow i have no idea, i have been hoping to get back on my bike and go out on it. its been a bit too warm for that, though it would be nice to explore some of the parks in and around nottingham playing pokemon go.
sunday, i have to fetch my mums shopping and take my aunt to derby, so that she can go to this event thing.
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Gateshead but rumoured to be on Notts' radar
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Can definitely play in a back 3 and has been great the last few seasons with Gateshead. Physically strong and able to play across the back line and is comfortable with the ball at his feet, as is expected of a Gateshead player
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I don’t think we can really judge Richardson from his time with us! One game just isn’t enough to get a fair reflection of his ability. I don’t think we’ve signed any of the players we’ve been linked with so far, but if you throw enough names out there someone will get one right at some point!
I can’t say I’ve seen much of him but he’s featured regularly for Gateshead and the fact he's linked with a host of clubs higher up is reassuring (assuming a few are true). But then all our defenders struggled with the step up from the NL, this would be my concern with Richardson too.
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I’ve seen him play several times for Gateshead. He has grown into his role there and has the potential to be a good signing. However, I don’t think it would be beneficial for him unless he continues to get regular game time. With the new signings and players like Lewis Macari and Kyle Caermon leaving, some players might find their opportunities limited, and Kenton Richardson could suffer from a lack of game time. It would be like re-signing Alex Lacey with no intention of playing him.
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1 hour ago, Chris said:
Hopefully, the league cup is worth taking seriously, but we seem to take the ELF trophy more seriously in recent years. Just like the FA Cup is well worth taking seriously, and not choosing to drop out of it.
Agreed, we looked very good.
We didn't look the same when we played them in this after that, Shrewsbury looked much better, but we didn't give a very good account of ourselves.
Chris, the cup game at the San Sirrel, we gifted them. Their striker who got a hat trick hardly scored for them that season
A good goal for Sanderson for us, we were unlucky not to get another
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By taking the Cups seriously, I mean that we should play our strongest squad, not necessarily our strongest team.
That's probably one of the reasons Stuart wanted to put together a bigger stronger squad to be able to rest some players on occasionally even for the League matches.
Notts can still put some of our star players on the substitutes bench for cup games in the early rounds, & Notts should still be very competitive with a good large squad.
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It should be an interesting match. It will be intriguing to see how the two teams stack up against each other a season later. If anything, it’s going to be a game from which we can learn valuable lessons.
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It's been Reported that England Fans threw Plastic Beer Cups at England Manager Gareth Southgate. It's Now been reported by some Unnamed Journalist that Plastic Beer Cups were thrown from all Angles and several hit section where England Player's Family and Friends sat. According to Aston Villa's Ezri Konsa his Brother was Hit but was fine after the Incident.
It was also Stated that None of the England Players Family or Friends were recognised, and None were Deliberately Targeted. Konsa also Stated that Southgate hadn't spoken to the Players regarding the Beer Cups being thrown at him. When Pressed further Konsa said things like this Happen In Football. We try Not to Think About It So We Move On. It seems to me a Bit of an Odd Story Or even a None Story and Comes Across has the Gutter Press, Are Trying To Paint England Fans in a Poor Light.
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The act of throwing bottles is disgraceful. It’s acceptable to voice your opinions or chant them, but there’s no justification for hurling objects or being offensive.
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its all just disappointing isnt it? i think its poor behaviour on the england fans but our media is just terrible for spinning negative stories. its a joke which is not funny.
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Minority spoil it for the majority, but sadly that’s the case for everything these days. I don’t think anyone would dispute that a small number of the fans from all nations who have gone are d’heads who will cause trouble and get into fights but the majority will just be there to support their team. I guess writing a piece about 90% of the fans just going to watch the football and behaving is what you’d expect so it's kind of pointless to do. But I get that it would be nice for these papers to report the good things about the fan experience too.
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Hold on to your hats.
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I believe we were previously interested in Rod McDonald a few years ago, but I am not sure if that was serious. He's a good player, comfortable on the ball and copes with pressure. I am very pleased we have signed him, as he doesn't seem to have aged yet and should have a few good seasons left in him.
Yes, he's only 32-years-old, but I have seen some fans concerned about that and I don't think it's an issue. He's a bright and alert defender, who should help us improve defensively.
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If Rod can do a job for Notts for a couple of seasons and help Notts to get promotion, it will be money well spent.
I just believe that Rod is just the kind of player we needed. If it is true, that he is calm on the ball that's exactly what we need, especially after what we saw last season.
If Notts can stem the goals against by around 35 goals, compared to last season, Notts are promoted.
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He appears to be a sturdy addition to the team. Notts are constructing what seems to be a very equitable and balanced side. The defensive reinforcements, such as Rod McDonald, are greatly appreciated.
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30 minutes ago, Chris said:
@Robbie it used to be a yearly habit of watching the Grand National, we used to have a friendly bet within the family and on occasions a bet would be placed, but I have to admit, I lost interest. It's the same with the University Boat Race. Habits change; information isn't stored the same. Technology has a lot to do with it IMO.
I see what you mean Chris.
I can remember those iconic thoroughbred horses, from the 70s like Mill Reef, Brigadier Gerrard, and Nijinsky, I still remember that the Brigadier won 17 out of 18 major races and his only defeat came from another great, Roberto.
I can't name a modern horse at all now.
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@Piethagoram thanks for sharing that.
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Hayley Turner, we take pride in you. Your name will be etched in our memories. You are one of our own!
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I hope the games streamed, as this would be a nice touch. I don't have a passport (as said elsewhere) but I think it's a fun fixture that brings a different friendly to those who can make the trip.
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Flights sorted, travelling out through the Netherlands as flights were much cheaper
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im not really interested in this competition, but i hope we field some of the players who need game time in the matches. it would be a good way to see who deserves a shot in league games.
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Field a decent enough squad, but give Tiernan Brooks the chance to start and many of our younger players. Yet don't just throw them in with fringe players; give some of the first team candidates a chance to pass on their experience. I am not that bothered about the EFL trophy, but I do see it as a chance to give game minutes.
With a larger squad, we can afford to do it this time round.
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It's a bit crass @Dry Nelson Ray
But you need to realise didn't Dolly have a big hit singing about Notts?
Jodi, Jodi, Jodi, Jodi
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Jodi, Jodi, Jodi, Jodi
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Dum Dum Diddle Dum Diddle Dum.
Now We All Know Dolly's had Many Country Hits
But I Don't Care For Her Music, I'd Rather Look At Her
Dum Dum Diddle Dum Diddle Dum.
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I would be astonished if folks from Wrexham genuinely had an interest in Dolly Parton. I barely recognise her myself. I’m aware she’s a country singer, but her current relevance seems rather minimal. Unless Wrexham boasts a large number of fans who are, let’s say, seasoned gentlemen, I doubt they would be particularly concerned.
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If @Dry Nelson Ray had got Dolly Parton over for our game last season, I am 100% sure @super_ram would have 'loved' to join me. Although I didn't get tickets unfortunately, it remains a ground that I haven't yet visited.
Very funny video, Dolly at times looks unsure how to respond.
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I’m not particularly keen on spending a substantial amount of money for a single match outside England. I prefer to stick to local friendly matches.
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i think it would be a fun game to attend, i am not sure about flying but how else will i be able to get there? its not like i have no been in a plane before. im 50/50 so far.
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It would be a super experience, sadly I can't make it as I'm already away that weekend. Football overseas is a wonderful adventure.
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clubs need to recruit within their means but try to sign the best players they can afford, i think andy holt needs to try to replicate the squad that did take them up and avoid complaining about the funds teams use. he wont stop clubs from having higher funds or using more.
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15 hours ago, Chris said:
Some interesting comments, such as the amount of money teams in the National League are paying, but I just find Andy Holt to be someone who's never happy any more. He's always got something negative to say, usually towards things that don't concern him. He's done well as a chairman and for Accrington, those are things he deserves credit for. When they got promoted to League One, he seemed a much more interesting person.
I just find his complaints about football as an industry and as a competition to be double-negative. If he hates it so much, I wished he would get out of it or quit complaining. However, it's the thing which seems to make him most relevant, and he likes that.
He needs to be careful what he says about when things go wrong, as Accrington seem to be taking steps back and could find themselves in the National League themselves in the next 3 years. Yet, that will be down to their budget, not the recruitment according to him.
Sorry to disagree @Chris I always find Andy Holt's musings as a breath of fresh air, a sensible voice in the finances of football. He always explains the situation of the problems the smaller clubs face. Football finance expert Kieran Maguire recently mentioned average losses in EFL1 were close to £5m. Small teams were always going to find it difficult on promotion to EFL1
Edit: If you strip our Derby's losses, EFL1 clubs losing around £4m a season
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No need to be sorry, due to disagreeing @Piethagoram.
I value your opinion, I do think Andy Holt is a two-sided coin.
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Well! His instagram seems to have been taken down?
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Until more information is available, it’s all conjecture. I haven’t come across any news reports linking him to Notts. He might be in discussions with the club, but it’s common for players to post pictures like that. It seems harmless enough to me, but who can tell? Things might be unfolding, we just have to be patient and see.
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The Photo shows Will Evans at Notts County. He's Invisible then? What an Asset a Striker you can't see, he could play havoc with opponents defences. If you can't see him, you can't mark him, then again if your Team Mates can't see you ? Ah Well maybe Not such a Good Signing.
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Interesting that he still has a year to run on his contract, so he would cost Notts probably up to 500K. Why buy him when we have the best striker in the league?
Nah, it wouldn't make sense.
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Do you Remember the Famous Piano Sketch with Morecombe & Wise and Andre Previn?
Where Eric Grabbed Andre by the Collar of his Jacket and said this Famous Line.
I'm Playing All The Right Notes, But Not Necessarily In The Right Order.
Well Today my Eldest Son showed me a Photo, which is on X (I think)
In which Gareth Southgate has Replaced Eric and Line Reads
I'm Playing All The Right Players, But Not Necessarily In The Right Positions.
I really am hoping one of my Fellow PON Members can find it and Post it on Here. I can't I'm afraid I'm Not On X.
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All Right, All Right Calm Down Calm Down. We a had Scouser Mick who worked with Us and two Blokes got into a Bit of an Argy Bargy and He said that phrase (without realizing He'd said It.) Everybody in Ear Shot just Collapsed into Gales of Laughter, Even the two Blokes forgot their Argument. No Work was Done for a Full 20 minutes, even the Team Leader who came round to see what all the Noise was about , joined in with the Laughter while Mick just stood there wondering was Hell was up with Everybody. Until somebody managed to Stop Laughing Long Enough to tell him what he'd said.
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Have we stopped laughing yet?
Here's a classic clip from the Goodies. Used to have me & my Dad in stitches.
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Laughter Is The Best Medicine. Nobody Can Deny That.
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I do believe that heading the football, especially back in the days when the ball was made of pure leather and became really heavy when it was soaking wet, does have an impact on ex-footballers later on in life especially leading to issues like Dementia.
Football's of today are nothing like they were but even despite this, there is still a danger that it could have an impact on the brain. It just depends on how long before it takes effect, especially if you're continually heading the ball. Irrelevant of how lightweight the ball is, it's about the impact. In the images of Jeff Astle from a post above you can see how much impact there is.
The only thing that can really be done is something they've slowly started integrating and that is to limit heading in training. Matchday scenarios can't be helped as it is part and parcel of the game, unless they want to do something drastic like go 5-a-side rules and stop the ball going above head height. Though I do agree in doing as much as possibly to stop children heading the ball.
I don't think it's right to sue anyone no matter how much you believe in it being the root cause. Even if it was proven to be the case, in those days there wasn't much in terms of assessing the dangers of heading the football as much as there is in today's world. Medical science has come a long way.
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So many people are attempting to take legal action over issues that weren’t known at the time. I think Joe Kinnear’s daughter may struggle to prove that people knew injuries would lead to Joe’s death. Where does this insanity end? It reminds me of people trying to sue American gun manufacturers because of deaths caused by their use.
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EFL2 is a tough league, Stockport and Wrexham budgets effectively bought promotion ( sorry @Dry Nelson Ray)
I think Chesterfield will not find it easy.
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I'm not a betting man, but with the calibre of the the players that Notts have recruited, & the squad they are putting together, I believe it would be a reasonable bet for Notts to get automatic promotion this season.
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Given that we've strengthened an area which was our weak link last season and had an impact on our downfall, 14/1 may well be worth a punt.
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Euro 24 starts tonight with the hosts Germany v Scotland that kicks off in Munich at 8 pm.
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So far it's been a good tournament.
VAR has proven during this tournament so far that it does have a place in the game. It's been quick and efficient and fans have been kept in the loop as to what's going on. The only exception with this was, shockingly, when English referees were involved in the game between France and Netherlands. The only time in which VAR took an age to come to a decision, a decision that I still feel was wrong, and disallow Xavi Simons goal.
Shock of the group stage has got to be Georgia beating Portugal.
The only 2 teams that have impressed me throughout the group stage has been Spain and Austria. Spain have got to be deemed favourites now and Austria the dark horses.
France and England, both the favourites going in to the tournament, haven't backed up that favourites tag.
I still feel like they need to abolish the whole best 3rd place teams go through. A few of the final group games were a bit of a bore because teams didn't want to risk anything, sat back and played for the draw as that was all that's needed to finish 3rd. It takes away the jeopardy. UEFA should have either kept it at 16 teams or made it 32 like the World Cup.
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It will be at home on 10 August, Rushcliffe Rovers play at home 17th
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there is going to be quite a few changes, i want to wait to see what is updated but i will back on the road home and away supporting notts.
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I don't usually worry about who we are drawn against, it doesn't make much of a difference to me because we have to play those teams at stages, but I do understand how difficult opening games can be. If you get a run of rough teams, it can make things difficult, but I believe with our squad. Tranmere would be a good game to start early.
There's going to be changes, hopefully, ones which make more sense but this year, I am not fussed. I just want to get back to Meadow Lane, so Fleetwood and Grimsby at home are two fixtures I am looking forward to.
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To be honest the new fixture list has never interested me, We know we will be playing 6 different sides this season compared with the last one.
At the end of the day we've got 46 league games and we probably need to win a minimum of 27 of them with 10 draws to be sure of promotion.
That's more or less what Stockport did last season, and they were Champions.
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Welcome to Notts Curtis Edwards.
"He can play in various midfield roles, which gives us more flexibility and depth, and is a fantastic technician who’s also very hard-working and mobile between both boxes"
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I came across a piece of information, possibly on Twitter, that Curtis Edwards had a stint with Woking while he was between clubs and looking for a league team. It’s likely that Ian Burchnall recommended him to Michael Doyle, or perhaps Edwards consulted with Burchnall who then suggested Doyle. Regardless, it’s all come full circle now and he’s here with us. At first glance, he seems more like a coach or fitness trainer than a footballer, but I’m not one to judge. It was just an initial impression when I saw his photo. I’m confident he’ll prove to be a quality addition.
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I know you can't judge anyone by their appearance alone but I agree the main photo of him doesn't make him look particularly imposing. If you asked 100 people what he does and gave them the choice of IT Technician and Professional Footballer, I can see one getting a lot more votes!
He'll probably turn out to be one of the fittest players next season and be able to run for days!
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He reminds me of a footballer from the late 90s to early 00s, but that's not a bad thing. Everyone says 'It's a man's game' when you see young players who fit the characteristics of players like Ed Francis and Will Patching (just as examples) but sometimes appearances isn't everything.
I have no doubt that Curtis Edwards has the ability as a footballer to make a significant impact at Notts.
Everything I know and have read tick the right boxes, so I am encouraged by the arrival of him and I think he fits to what we need. I am looking forward to seeing him on the pitch.
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The club conducted a commendable interview with Matt Palmer. He seems eager to return, even though it might take some time. However, he should be ready by the start of the season. I’m excited to see him don the Notts shirt again.
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Wouldn’t it be fantastic to have a team filled with players like Matt Palmer? It’s great to see him back, focusing on his fitness and working towards rejoining the starting line-up. He exudes quality, so I’m eager to see Palmer back in the squad on match days.
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I've always been a big fan of Matt Palmer's. When we signed him I was over the moon because I knew what sort of quality he would bring. It surprised me that he stepped down to the National League to join us, especially when he was still only like, what 26-years-old? He really could have joined a League One/Two team and found himself back higher up the football pyramid quite easily.
I also genuinely believe he arrived here because he liked the project which was being built and could see Notts creating a team where he would thrive and most importantly enjoy his football. He's like that as a player, when he enjoys his football nothing can unsettle him or put him off his game. I don't remotely think he joined us because we offered the best wages, as that's not the type of person he seems to be. Having him back will be a massive boost to our squad, because players not only know what he brings but what to expect from him when he is in the team.
There's a reason why he's always in the squad selection on match days, and it's not just because he's consistent or hard-working.