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    Looks like the Notts Management are holding a team bonding session in the Netherlands, while they are preparing to face Duisburg on Saturday.

    By all accounts, Matt is settling in well and he's optimistic for the upcoming season.

When I first started to attend football matches, Football teams in this Country & around the World could only use one substitute & for the vast majority of the time the substitutions were for injury only, not for tactical reasons.

Until 1958, no substitutes were allowed at allΒ 

But now a PL team is allowed 9 players on the bench, & the EFL 7 & 5 can be used on three occasions during a match.

The fact that substitutions allowed have increased so much in recent years, it has changed the game totally.

Football has become a squad game and the strength of the squad determines whether a team can be successful or not.

The vast majority of substitutions are now tactical. It's a way of putting fresh legs on the pitch or to change the shape, style and tactics of a team. Substitutions are also made to take penalties after extra time.

I'm not sure what the founding fathers of league football would think if they ever knew how the game has evolved in the way that it has.

I personally think that too many substitutes are allowed, because for one, it favours the richest clubs, & it has been changing the game exportentialy.

What are your thoughts on the number of substitutions allowed, is it a good or bad thing for football in general?

Do you think it has changed the game for the good or the bad?

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  • With larger squads, more frequent games, and players with potential health conditions, I believe the current system is fine. However, before long, you might be able to substitute your entire squad. It should be kept to a reasonable limit, but I fully support the current setup.

    Did the number of substitutions increase during COVID, allowing teams to make more than 5 changes? I mean temporarily.

    I seem to recall watching a few games where virtually the whole squad was coming off, but my memories are iffy, so this could have been a foreign game or something. That seemed excessive but 5 is about the right amount. I think anything higher, it just becomes a farce.

    Three subs has always seemed quite restrictive, whereas you can make 4 changes and reserve the 5th just in case of an injury.

    I would rather see tactical changes which are introduced by bringing on a different player, then to watch a match where teams are grinding out a 0-0. Much like coverage of a football match on The Simpsons. It gives managers a chance to change things and inject fresher legs, so personally I like how things are right now.

    The footballing authorities might not admit it, but Football seems to be going the way of following American football where they have "special teams"

    Examples are substitutions being made before extra time to put on a goalkeeper who is good at saving penalties and players who are good at taking penalties.

    It worked well for Notts in the playoff final????

    Do we really miss them old FA Cup replays?.

    Not really.

Notts have played 3 friendly matches and the Notts squad is getting the match practice they need.

Stuart Maynard will be mulling over who should be in his first eleven.Β 

Notts have signed seven new players in key positions & we may see more, so it is going to be a challenge for Stuart to name his first eleven without too much of a delay.

Settled sides are usually the successful sides.

I'm going to put myself in Stuart's shoes & name my Notts eleven after what we have seen so far.

Do PON members have their preferred eleven or you may think that it is too early to tell?

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  • @ARLukomski.... :DΒ 

    So far, I would go for...

    Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β Bass

    Β  Β  Β  Β McDonald, Bedeau, Platt

    NemaneΒ  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Jones

    Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β Robertson
    Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Palmer

    Β  Β  Β  <-- Crowley ->>
    Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  <<- Scott ->>

    Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β  Β Jatta

    Wing backs: Nemane and Jones. Robertson acting as the defensive cover and anchor, Palmer (when fit to get us moving forward). Crawley and Scott to operate within the attacking midfield zone. Jatta as the lead striker.

    Bench:
    Slocombe, Macari,Β Tsaroulla, Gordon, Austin, Edwards, McGoldrick.

    Β 

    This is as of right now, but by no means final. We still need a centre-back (cough cough Lucas Ness), a centre-mid (cough cough Charlie McCann) and a striker with pace and can press (cough cough Benji Magee or Brad Young).

    You can flip a coin between Aaron Nemane and Kellan Gordon. I've chosen Gordon as he gives us more balance in the wing-back positions due to Jodi being more attacking. Our wing-back/full-back options are absolutely mental and is probably our strongest area of the pitch.Β 

    The back 3 gives a nice balance. Matty Platt being a more aerially dominant centre half in the middle with Bedeau and Macari being able to stay wide to receive the ball and drive into space.Β 

    Cedwyn can play just behind Jatta like he did for Langstaff in our promotion winning season, but just ahead of Crowley. For me though we still need a striker with Langstaff's pressing instincts and a bit more pace than our current options.Β 

    GK Alex Bass
    RCB Lewis Macari
    CB Matty Platt
    LCB Jacob Bedeau
    RWB Kellan Gordon
    CM Matty Palmer
    CM Scott Robertson
    LWB Jodi Jones
    CAM Dan Crowley
    ST Cedwyn Scott
    ST Alassana Jatta

My Last Topic about Three Leopards went quite well. So I thought I'd do a Follow Up. Not really about Three Leopards ( who will get a mention) but more about the different Badges worn by English teams in other Sports as well as Football.

After the Three Lions the most used England Badge is that of the Cross of Saint George ( who Nike thought it would be clever to mess about with) This Emblem a Red Cross on a White background also has a interesting and Long History. The Flag of Saint George of course came to the fore front when the Emblem was chosen by the English Crusader Knights when fighting in the Holy Land during the Third Crusade. It is reported (but never proven) That Richard 1 the Lion Heart adopted the Flag and Saint when he fought in the Third Crusade which began in 1190.

Interestingly during the 1966 World Cup the Union Jack was used instead of the Cross of Saint George. And during the Final all the English Fans only waved the Union Jack. A Lot Different to the English Fans Of Today.

Carl Fogarty the English World Superbike Champion claimed that it was he who reintroduced the use of St George's FlagΒ  during his Victories During the World Superbike Series. Another Motor Bike Sport Speedway, the English team has used several Types of English Flags on their Race Jackets. The Cross of St George the Three Lions (in the Leopards/Lions pose) but they were Red Lions on a White Background. And a Single Red Lion (Rampant) on it's hind Legs Facing Forward also on a White Background.

The Third English Emblem used by an English Sports Team is of Course the Red Rose of England has used by the England Rugby Union Team. The Rose also appears on theΒ  Quartered Shield of the British & Irish LionsΒ  International Rugby Team. Along with the Scottish Thistle, The Irish Shamrock and The Prince of Wales Three Feathers. The Shield as a Golden Lion in the walking pose (the same pose as the 3 Lions on the England Football Badge).

Finally the England Cricket Team, like it's Football counterparts also Supports a Badge of Three Lions. The only difference to the Football Badge is a Crown is placed above the Lions and there are No Tudor Roses on the Cricket Badge.

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  • As I wasn't around between 1879 -1950, that Badge is New to Me. I'm only familiar with the more current Badges.Β  I like the idea of a Crown being incorporated back into the England Badge Design. If I have a Scottish Counterpart he must have been Lived with the 2012-2013 England Badge of three Red Lions. Because the Scottish Badge is a Single RedΒ  Β Lion Rampant (on it's hind legs) looking forward on a Gold Background (depicted as Yellow on the Badge) with a double Red Boarder, and that has been around for many a Year.

    Thanks for Up Loading the Pictures @ChrisΒ I can now up date my Knowledge. If I only knew how to upload photos to the Site I'd show PON Members what the Real England Badge should look like.

    @Wheelbarrow repair man: Where you type your comments, you should see aΒ paper-clipΒ icon. Drag an attachment into it or choose to upload a file.

    OnceΒ uploaded,Β you will see a + button to add it to your comment.

    (Same for mobiles and handheldΒ devices, it's just a little different)

    Alternatively, useΒ https://imgur.com/

    Then click the embed options, copy the URL and paste that into the text field followed by enter (it can do it without but might take a bit longer).

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    Thankyou once again @ChrisΒ I'll let my Son have a lookΒ  at this, because I haven't Got A Clue about what you've said. I am Totally Ignorant regarding Computer Stuff, but hopefully my Lad will Sort it out.

    That I'm afraid is my Answer To Everything Technology wise. Son what's this Mean?Β ????

Lately, I’ve been dedicating time at the allotment to cultivate a variety of vegetables. Previously, my attention was more on plants and flowers, but I’ve shifted towards creating a more eco-friendly home. I’ve planted potatoes, carrots, beetroot, tomatoes, and rhubarb.

Recently, I harvested some of my produce. I decided to use an old wheelbarrow to transport the ripe vegetables. However, just as I was about 10 feet from my car, the wheel came off the barrow.

Now, I find myself in need of someone who can repair my wheelbarrow. :rollonfloorlaughing:

@Wheelbarrow repair man.

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  • @RetroPie

    There's no need to buy a New Wheelbarrow, if you just need a New Wheel. Undo the fixing bolts and remove the washer tubes.

    Getting the right size wheel measure the wheel diameter, that's from one edge of the wheel tyre to the other. Measure the hub length the spindle which goes through the wheel. And measure the Hub Bore Diameter. The hole in the middle of the wheel.

    A Wheelbarrow wheel expert (found at Garden Centres)Β  some shops which sell Wheelbarrows may have an expertΒ  who will help you choose the correct type ofΒ  bearing for your wheel. Best Tyre Patten to use is the Ribbed Pattern as this causes minimal build up of mud Ideal for your garden or allotment. Hope this Helps.

    The old one’s rusted and fallen apart. I could replace the wheel, but the barrow wouldn’t move with it. :rollonfloorlaughing:

    I’ve bought a new one from B&Q. This time, I’ll make sure it’s not exposed to the weather and is covered when not in use. The last one I had, well, it’s been with me longer than my eldest grandchild has been alive.

So who could be the next England Manager?

Let's look at some alternatives if the England Manager position becomes vacant.

Do you have an alternative?

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  • Lee Carsley is the only real candidate I am bothered about, Eddie Howe should be left to continue with Newcastle. If he can gain a bit more experience, he would be a good choice. The rest of the English managers are lacklustre, Graham Potters shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the national team.

    He's not the answer in my humble opinion.

    @Chris

    Promoting from within doesn't always work, look at Steve Maclaren. Southgate did well with the U21'sΒ  and he could handle the Step Up, but Carsley May find the Step Up to bigger a Gap or take to it like a Duck to Water. I know Carsley has had success with the U21's but The Best Thing would be is make him Interim Manager , that wayΒ  the F.A. and the Fans will have an idea how Carsley acts under Pressure of being the National Teams Head Coach.

    There's lots of chatter about Pep Guardiola being England Manager.

    In my opinion it would be an unmitigated disaster if he were appointed.

    The England Manager has to be home grown. The England Managers job is not just any old managers job. The person who holds the position is an important national figure.

Lots of chatter about the England Penalty that was given in the first half against the Netherlands, when the Netherlands player was adjudged to have fouled Harry Kane when Harry was shooting for goal.

The Ref initially didn't give it, but it went to VAR and VAR adjudged foul play.

If that incident had occurred outside the penalty area the Ref would have blown for a foul straight away.

For me, it should make no difference whether inside or outside the penalty area. A foul is a foul & should be given as such.Β 

A defender should not be given the benefit of the doubt just because it is inside the penalty area.

The Dutch player had his foot up and caught Kane, which could have resulted in a serious injury for Kane.

Thoughts?

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  • The thing is @RobbieΒ would the Referee given a Free Kick if the incident hadΒ  happened on the Halfway Line?Β  At first he didn't give the Penalty and only consulted VAR afterwards. So he may well have viewed the Foul (on the Halfway Line) as he had first viewed the Penalty and Not Given It.

    The thing is with Incidents like this happening all the time in Football it's subjected toΒ  a matter of different opinions to different people, many will see it as a Penalty while others won't. But when it comes down to it VARΒ  decided it was a Penalty and England scored from the Resulting Spot Kick, then went on to Grab a late Winner, which put them in Todays Final. And No amount ofΒ  Was it Wasn't It Talk Is going to Change That.

    @Wheelbarrow repair man

    That's just the point, opposing fans will always disagree on the award of a penalty. England got the decision because the VAR officials thought it was a penalty.

    I'm happy we got th decision, I'm just sceptical about how VAR has changed anything. Offsides are ok. We know what VAR judges as an offside, a toenail in front. We know what handball is tooΒ 

    But with fouls it's still down to interpretation of the officials operating VAR.

    They may as well leave it to the on field Ref to make the decision regarding foul play in the penalty area.

    Β 

    On 14/07/2024 at 13:25, DangerousSausage said:

    Aren't most fouls unintentional accidents @Fan of Big Tone? They're still fouls.Β 

    I’m uncertain, but it appears that most fouls these days are cynical challenges. They seem to be committed with the intention of preventing teams from playing or disrupting their momentum.

Just one England player in the 11 chosen as the team of the tournament.

On the other hand there are six Spanish players in the teamΒ 

Tells you all you need to know.

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  • @Robbie

    Donnarumma of Italy and Mamardashvilli of Georgia can feel unlucky not to have been selected ahead of Maignan. But I'm guessing they based it more on who got further in the tournament.Β 

    No surprise to see those Spanish players in there, they fully deserve it. Especially Fabian, he was excellent during the tournament. Him and Olmo were players of the tournament for me.Β 

    Kyle Walker had a good tournament, unfortunately his only bad game was in the final. Guehi can feel hard done to to have not made it in this squad, for a first major tournament and given our defence was deemed our weakest link he was solid throughout.Β 

    5 hours ago, liampie said:

    nobody else from the england team deserves to be listed.

    Guehi?

    I know it's not in the spirit of it but they could've just picked the Spanish starting 11, I know they won but they way they did it and the teams they beat was very impressive indeed!

    I really liked FΓΌllkrug the German No.9, a bit of a old-school forward, Havertz got picked instead of him a lot but every time he came off the bench he did really well. Ardu Guler, the very young Turkish playmaker added some real quality to their side.Β 

    And it was strange how the big stars of the tournament like De Bruyne, MbappΓ©, Lewandowski and Ronaldo all had pretty poor showings.

    Marc Guehi deserves to be named; he played far better than Kyle Walker. Walker had a good tournament, but there were elements of his game where he wasn't at his best - at 34, you expect this.

    Marcel Sabitzer and Georges Mikautadze would have made my team of the tournament; both players did well for their respective countries. Spain had a very good campaign, but some of their players are only being named because they made the final and won. Some did well but don't deserve to be selected ahead of others.

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Did anyone watch the rerun of the 1966 Cup Final between England & West Germany on channel 4 this evening?

It brought back some great memories for me. The World Cup of 1966 was the first time I had watched football on the telly.

Me & my mates used to play football either on the road or on the playing field not far from our houses.Β 

Never watched the telly much at all, all my spare time after school was either playing football or playing Subuteo or Monopoly games with my mates or riding our bikesΒ 

Watching the game this afternoon and the skill of those players 58 years ago, the England players of today could learn a lot from watching them.

There were no substitutes allowed at the 66 World Cup. That is hard to believe when you see both teams still going for it in extra time on a cut up pitch.

The players in those days had to be tough & last the full 120 minutes.

I think I would still back the England side of 1966 to beat the England side of 2024.Β 

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  • ha haha! ????

    i love how the magpie is calm enough to act like its not even following the cat, if the cat did not react it might not be as funny and i do wonder what the magpie was aiming to do if this was the case.

    Cats generally don’t appreciate being pursued, and I wager it was wondering what this silly magpie was up to. I suspect the bird was merely being playful and might have pecked at the cat’s tail given the opportunity, perhaps to instigate a chase.

    Although they might be considered natural adversaries, it’s surprising how some can exhibit playful behaviour towards each other.

    Great video! Very funny that neither animal detected they were being watched/filmed. It caught something that you might not get to see otherwise.????????

    There's a squarrel that lives near my home, which is very funny.

    It does lapse of my front fence as part of its exercise, almost as if it was like the TV 'Wipeout' but without the water. One time it was doing it, I was sat in the living room looking out at the front garden and noticed there was a black cat stalking it. The Squarrel didn't bother, it just continued doing a circuit of the fence.

    The cat thought it was being clever by climbing the fence which is to the street, it was acting like it was just minding its own business.

    The Squarrel continued to run round the fences and along the front of my house, as it approached the cat, the cat jumped into the front garden again acting as if it was doing its own thing. The moment the squarrel reached the point where the cat had been, the cat jumped up and squarrel had reacted ahead, pushing itself up right and performing a martial art kick which would have been befitting to a scene from 'The Last Dragon'.

    It stunned the cat, and it flew off the fence. The Squarrel remained in an alert position but soon went off. The cat eventually jumped back onto the fence and acted like its pride had been hurt. ????

So England have failed to win another international tournament.

The 58 year wait for success continues & we will have to wait for the next World Cup to be held in the US, Canada & Mexico to see if England can go that step further & win a final.

England had a great opportunity to win Euro 24 having the much easier route to the final than their final opponents, Spain.

In my opinion England never hadΒ  a better opportunity to go all the way & win the a trophy after a 58 year wait.

Unfortunately, Southgate continues to be a cautious, & negative Manager, & is incapable of making the bold decisions that would see England get over the line & win a tournament.

The team was crying out for bold changes to be made, for instance, Ollie Watkins & Cole Palmer should have started the match to give England more pace & it did work when they came on as substitutes foe England in the second half.

For me, Southgate has always been too defensive, negative & lacks the boldness to be a winner in tournaments for my liking.

The powers that be want him to stay on as Manager, but I believe it's time to have a change at the top to see England through qualifying for the next World Cup.

Do you agree or disagree with my assessment?

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  • I’m in agreement with @liam. Unless there’s a robust alternative for Gareth Southgate, I’m uncertain about the merit of any changes. Ultimately, the decision rests with the FA. Supporters should hope that Gareth Southgate is better prepared to field the appropriate players.

    My take is that unless Southgate decides himself that it is time to go, he will stay as England manager because the FA like him and he is their type of Manager.

    What is their type of Manager, he is a yes man that does what he is told, & does not rock the boat at FA headquarters?

    He is also a manager that the players will like, because they know that their place in the side is virtually secure, because Southgate won't rock the team boat so much by making many changes.

    It was clear to everyone else, apart from Southgate, that when the substitutions were made, England improved & they became more dangerous to the opposition.

    So why didn't Southgate make changes and play those substitutes from the start in the next game?

    Because in my opinion, Southgate was either incapable of or just didn't want to rock the team boat & upset what he looked upon were the senior England players.

    And that is Southgate's big failing in my opinion.

    Personally, I think Gareth Southgate did the right thing by stepping down. He's done well in his role, but the division between England fans and this past tournament performance despite making the final just hasn't been to standard.

    I would have been happy had he decided to remain in the position, but I think he knows that not all of his ideas on what makes England click are right. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of the attitude he has had made him feel he needed to step down on a high. It's sad, because some of the nonsense directed towards him isn't needed.

    Using sporting events as a reason to give another human abuse is just outright wrong.

    Unfortunately, it leaves me feeling disinterested and of the belief that the FA will struggle to find a suitable appointment that will please the majority of England fans. It's going to be a tough task, Lee Carsley wouldn't be a bad call, but I don't know much about his style of management.

Which would leave you more gutted, England losing in a final or Notts losing in a play off final and not getting promoted?

I was thinking about this as England lost tonight and although I was disappointed I wasn’t as gutted as I would have been had Notts lost in the play off final.

What about you?

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  • The club should invariably take precedence over the country. Any individual who prioritises England over Notts may not be as fervent a fan as most ought to be. If you’re a Notts supporter from England, you should consistently support your country. However, I believe it would be debatable for a fan to place them ahead of Notts.

    I just feel that the England side will always be at a disadvantage the way that the PL is allowing so many foreign players to dominate our top league, when Countries like Spain & Germany favour their home grown players as a percentage of their Premier League squads.

    1999-2004/5 I was very England focused, more so than Notts.

    It was difficult after my grandfather died to get to Notts games, still at school. I mostly checked on scores for Notts, but I wasn't as focused on them. I would watch Match of the Day religiously, and it was something we did as a family. Admittedly, I was still very much into Arsenal at this stage. So, England was an easy way to watch football, and we had big names that gave me the hope that we could do well in a major tournament.

    Not that the golden generation ever delivered this, but it was great seeing the likes of David Beckham, Steven Gerrard, Alan Shearer etc.

    I used to also always wear my England coat, and/or shirts.

    Now I am more focused on Notts, as I have aged I realise that football is more enjoyable to have that belief but to find more enjoyment from league football. So, I would choose Notts easily over England, but I care about them both.

    the articles from 2003? so what was the final outcome?

    it sounds like notts had some people involved that knew how to bend things to their favour, not many fans i know speak that well of darren caskey though.

    I liked Darren Caskey, fans more knowledgable of his time at Notts always make me laugh when they tell me about him. Though, I thought he was a good footballer. I can't say I have seen him play for us many times though.

    Also, I remember this but never really dived into it.

    its just wrong, to officiate a game and then celebrate with the winners. unbiasedness goes out of the window when this happens, as i could not trust someone who had done this to make the right calls in the game. then again, referees do love the limelight.

    I think it was Russell Howard who joked about this awhile ago, when it was being reported. It's a silly thing to do, which issuing a ban is the right thing. Officials aren't there to be part of the celebrations or to even be in any sort of spotlight.

    There have been referees and assistants who have asked players for selfies, this is also something which shouldn't happen during officiating games.

    Fans need to be able to trust that there's no unbiasedness and act professional.

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  • Goodison Park is a fantastic Premier League stadium, and it will be a pity to see it fade into obscurity. Everton’s new stadium looks impressive, but its location appears to be an afterthought. I suspect it won’t be easy to leave after matches. It’s situated in a somewhat secluded area that will be crowded on game days. New stadiums should aim to avoid traffic issues. That being said, it does seem to be a beautiful setting otherwise.

    it looks incredible but i think its a sad day when a club moves from something traditional to a ground that is not quite the same. in the future if we do this, i hope we would base the design on what we have in some way as a tribute to the former ground.

PSF - The Stones (A)

Team: Wealdstone

Date: 16/07/2024

Where: Grosvenor Vale



What line-up should Stuart Maynard opt for? What will be the key areas for the Magpies to get a victory? What do you think the final score will be?

Have your say below, join in with the Pride of Nottingham match discussion.

After the Huge Disappointment of an English Defeat in another Euro's Final, what does the Future hold for Gareth Southgate? His current contract runs until December this year, but I would hope he realises that His Time Is Up as the National Teams Head Coach. Of course Southgate is the Darling of the F.A. he always does as he's told, but Eight Years is Long Enough and two Runners Ups medals is Nothing, Nobody Remembers who came Second in a Tournament, and as the Old Saying Goes, You Get Nowt For Being Second.

Who to Replace him with? Well as I have said before it has to be an Englishman as in my opinion No Foreign Coach is going to be able to Whip up the ENTHUSIAM to lead a a Country other than his own, No matter his Track Record. The two leading English Managers/ Head Coaches either Eddie Howe or Sean Dyche. Both have Managed in the Lower Leagues both know what it's like to fight a Relegation Battle and for a large part of their Careers have been at Clubs were their Transfers have been on a Shoe String Budget. Think what they might achieve with all the Talent England have at the Moment.

But will Southgate continue to be as Stubborn and be determinedΒ  to Hold and Hang onto his Present Position. If so Gareth I have just this to say to you,( and I'm Para phrasing here) As Oliver Cromwell said to the Rump Parliament, Leopold Amery to Neville Chamberlain and David Davis to Boris Johnson. In The Name Of God GO.

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  • Gareth Southgate has spoken twice about stepping down, although going into the Euros - it seemed likely that he would be standing by his word. I find it quite saddening because whilst he's not been perfect, he got the squad resembling a team we could be proud of. This tournament wasn't the best, perhaps the players knew? I can't suggest all the poor performances could have been down to nerves, wanting to end Southgate's reign as well as possible, but I would be mindful of it.

    I don't think who takes over next has much to do, but at the same time I don't have much enthusiasm that we'll be able to see who could come in.

    Most likely it will be a lacklustre appointment, I mean the candidates link already leaves me feeling like this. ????

    3 minutes ago, Chris said:

    Most likely it will be a lacklustre appointment

    Wouldn't put it past the FA to do exactly this.Β 

    4 minutes ago, Chris said:

    I find it quite saddening because whilst he's not been perfect, he got the squad resembling a team we could be proud of.

    He may be tactically inept and his in game management as well as loyalty to players can be at fault for him not being able to get us over the line but this is why I'm glad it was his decision to part ways because of, as I've mentioned previously, how he's galvanised the team from rock bottom to getting fans cheering again and having a team to be proud of.Β 

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    7 minutes ago, Chris said:

    I don't think who takes over next has much to do

    Southgate has laid the foundations for someone to come in who can actually deliver and get us over the line.

So England have reached their first International Final abroad.

The Euro 24 Final will be played in Berlin on Sunday the 14th July between Spain & England.

Spain have been the team of the tournament so far & have won all their matches.Β 

They fully deserve to be the favourites to beat England on Sunday & take the trophy back to Spain.

But England have been improving game by game, & England were very close to their best in the first half in their semifinal against the Netherlands.

It is going to be a fascinating match, can England tame the Spanish firepower?

What will be Gareth Southgate's tactics, will he make changes to the England line up, or will he keep the same side & rely on substitutions as he has all this tournament.?

Can England win their first international tournament since 1966. Will that make Southgate our most successful England Manager?

Lots of questions to be asked. Those questions will be answered by the end of Sunday. A Sunday which could become an Historic day for English football.

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  • When it comes down to it, it is mindset.Β 

    England when behind, had attacked the Spanish goal to get back on terms, but once they had equalised, the England team, became cautious & negative once again.

    If you can sum up an England team under the Southgate Managership this would be it.

    It looks to me that Southgate is pushing this philosophy of safety first when drawing or in front, because for example, after Spain scored their second goal, England started attacking Spain again & nearly equalised when a header was cleared off the line in the last minute.

    Like I've said before, Southgate lacks boldness and this mindset spreads to the England players in how they play, when they are in front, or when they are drawing, compared to being behind.

    That's why I feel England will never win a tournament under Southgate.

    It’s reasonable for teams to spend the initial 10-20 minutes of a match trying to figure each other out. I felt the game against Spain was relatively open during the first half. Whatever Luis de la Fuente said at half time seemed to make a difference, as they emerged with a better understanding of how to create opportunities against us. In contrast, England started the second half in the same manner and quickly found themselves under pressure.

    In my view, Spain deserved the victory. They played some truly enjoyable football. However, I believe that if changes had been implemented earlier, England could have posed a greater threat. The decision to start Harry Kane, despite knowing he’s been immobile and struggling, seems questionable. But I can appreciate that he just needs one or two good opportunities to score. It might have made more sense to start Ollie Watkins instead of fielding two strikers.

    Spain struggled with the long balls and faster direct play, which all changed once substitutions were made. Cole Palmer has been a refreshing presence in the short time he’s been on the pitch. Unfortunately, John Stones and Kyle Walker contributed to our downfall due to their lack of defensive mindset and awareness. Their awareness was not so much about cutting out the danger, but rather being caught out and unable to block what led to goals. I thought Stones was incredibly average, unlike Marc Guehi. He performed exceptionally well throughout the Euros, I felt.

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    Totally agree with the Marc Guehi comment. He's been quite possibly our best player this tournament and if he's not our best he's definitely in the conversation for being our best player of the tournament. Can't fault his displays.

    Harry Kane should have been dropped 3 or 4 games before the final. He was not right all tournament, later on Southgate admitted he wasn't quite match fit going in to the tournament which begs the question why wasn't he subbed or dropped sooner?

    Spain were open all tournament when they got attacked. Every game they played in and teams broke at them, their defence showed cracks that they could be got at but as @RobbieΒ said we just sat back once we got level and that's been a key part of England under Southgate. People have been saying it was the players not applying themselves and going cautious on their own accord rather than Southgate instructing them but if that was the case, again as @RobbieΒ said, Southgate has to be bolder and make the necessary changes to change the mentality and get them attacking again.Β Β 

The news that Kyle Cameron had been loaned out to St Johnstone of the Scottish Premier League came as a bit of a shock to me.

Of course, Kyle will have to fight for a place, & prove himself worthy of a place in the St Johnstone team.

But what an opportunity for Kyle to be part of a team that will be mixing with the big boys such as Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen & Dundee United.

Celtic & Rangers will be mixing with the big boys of Europe too, so on paper it looks to be a dream move for Kyle and I wish him well.

Kyle moving on loan to a higher standard of football does raise a question from me.

If Kyle wasn't deemed good enough to fight for his place in a league 2 team in England, how does it work that he is let go to play for a team in a higher standard league?

For me it's surprising because if Cameron had been able to play in a Notts side with better standard defenders as it appears this season, wouldn't Kyle have been able to fit comfortably into that defensive unit too?

I think he could easily have done, and I think it is a big loss to Notts, his going up north this season. I think it was a strange decision by Notts to let him go.

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  • I don’t believe he should have stayed, but I concur with others that it would have been nice to see him compete for his spot. I get the impression that Kyle Cameron might sense his days are numbered and wanted to move before he became redundant. We have been somewhat more ruthless in phasing out players from the team and listing them for transfer, which is the preferred way for the club to manage player transitions.

    I too am saddened by the loss of Kyle. I feel like he got the short-end of the stick when it came to the fans. Even if he was offered a new deal I think he would've turned it down.Β 

    I think he made the right choice. It seemed as though he was slowly fading into non-existance. He's got a real leader in him and I think he'll be able to show it at St. Johnstone.

    But now we are in the big leagues, we need powerful players who can show up when most needed. The replenishment of our backline is refreshing indeed.

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    It appears that the transfer has sparked and revived Kyle’s passion for football. Fans who previously posted negative comments on Twitter, urging him to leave the club during last season’s poor form, might now be having second thoughts. While I’m delighted to see him thriving, I believe there’s no possibility that Notts will reap any benefits from this move.

Another potential outgoing? This time it's Kyle Cameron heading north of the border...

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/st-johnstone/5031118/kyle-cameron-st-johnstone-notts-county/

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  • Yeah, the fact he was made captain straight away tells you the quality of the players already there clearly isn't great. I'm not trying to be disrespectful to KC here, I hope he does well there, but their manager only saw him play a couple of friendlies, not even fully fit and thought, "yep he's levels above these guys and I'll be starting him every game!"

    I'll be interested to see how he does once the season starts, it's very likely he'll have a few good games and few terrible ones because the the Scottish Premier League is really odd in sense that that gap between the top and bottom is huge. It's like having a league with 2 Premiership teams, 2 Championship teams, 2 League One teams, 2 League Two teams and 2 National League teams...

The luck of the draw has come out in England's favour. England have been given a very favourable last 16 match against Slovakia who are ranked 45th in the FIFA rankings.

In the quarter finals, England could play either Switzerland or Italy, who meet in a last 16 matchΒ 

Their semi-final opponents will then come from the eventual winners of Romania vs Netherlands and Austria vs Turkey, so any one of those four teams.

With Italy not firing on all cylinders, England will never have a better opportunity to get to the final, where they could play either, Germany, Spain, Portugal or France who are all in the other half of the draw.

So PON members, can they do it?

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  • people saying 'mansfield reject' ????

    crawley paid a disclosed fee, that says he had something that they thought was worth paying for and he helped them gain promotion. now arriving to us on a free. give him the chance to prove himself without coming out with dumb negativity. he seems a good option going forward, we need to remind ourselves that aaron nemane and jodi jones are very defensive. if we can attack and hold the ball, along with a solid defensive back three then the wing backs only need to support.

    i like the fact he seems to have plenty of pace, that is enough to cause players to make mistakes. hopefully he settles and shows he is a good player. seems a good signing to me.

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It’s Friday again, how are we all?

I’m feeling pretty good after a night catching up with an old friend over a pint last night, sadly he’s a Forest fan but apart from that he’s an ok guy.

Tomorrow it’s park run day, it’ll be number 101 for me so I’ll be able to wear my new running shirt.

Sunday well we know what’s happening then don’t we? I’ll probably be watching at home with a pint I’m not into large crowds or busy pubs, Mrs. T enjoys watching too so we’ll both enjoy the match.

How’s your weekend shaping up? Or anything else you want to chat about or get off your chest.

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