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A worthy look, even if to revisit
Everton takeover by Friedkin Group completed as Moshiri era is ended
US company buying 98.8% stake in Merseyside club
Everton takeover by Friedkin Group completed as Moshiri era is ended | Everton | The Guardian
On a serious note, another English Club taken over by an American Billionaire is another nail in the coffin for the English game.
There needs to be a cap on spending to stop certain clubs buying success.
Piethagoram can save you money on gym membership then????
I need to try these later I’ll blame you @Piethagoram if I end up in traction.
I think I'll just keep to the walking, but I'm sure younger people will find those 11 suggestions useful.
Quoted from AI Google with it's answer to the question. What is a fairweather football fan?
"A fair weather football fan is someone who only supports a team when they are winning & loses interest when they are losing. The term "fair weather fan" comes from the analogy between good weather & trouble-free times.
Fair weather fans are often the subject of study by scholars interested in the psychology of sports fandom. Some things that researchers have found about fair weather fans include:
They tend to have a lower level of allegiance to the team than die-hard fans.
They may distance themselves from the team when they perform poorly, describing the team as "them" instead of "us".
Die-hard fans may view fair weather fans as traitors to the team.
The term "bandwagon fan" is sometimes used interchangeably with "fair weather fan". However, a bandwagon fan may jump to support a different team that is successful or trendy, whereas a fair weather fan only engages when their current team is doing well".
Is this a fair analogy of the fair weather football fan or is there more to it than this?
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Perhaps a more apt description are "armchair fans". Economics can play a part, as "fair weather" fans may only attend a number of games a season and maybe have family commitments too.
Northern Ireland fans tend to be either Liverpool or Man U. These are armchair fans, geographically distanced.
The strength of the Premier League, one can get school kids following the big clubs as they want to be associated with success, when perhaps their local teams miss out ( maybe the parents too are not interested in football).
I don't like creating segregation between supporters.
But the fickle fair-weather fans who don't really support the club, just the moaning and attention it gives does drive me crazy. Every club has an element of this, but I am more inclined to give my full support despite how I feel, yet I am more than happy to share and discuss my feelings. I don't think wanting a manager/head coach out, makes anyone a fair-weather fan by default. There are many other aspects which go into it.
I am aware of fans who stopped watching Notts regularly during the years we were in the National League, who refused to attend away games, and rarely went home games but made it to the playoff final. They have seldomly started reappearing at away games, and are at most home games now. That is fair-weather by my definition, but it's their choice. I just don't like how they act like 'super fans' upon their return.
I think that introducing playoffs had a big influence in the game. Many more Clubs now have a chance of success in making the playoffs.
Take this season in League two. Sixteen teams have a realistic chance of either getting an automatic promotion place or making the playoffs.
That fact on its own gives the fans of those clubs a much higher expectation that their club could get success, & with it possible promotion.
Even those committed fans who go to all of the home & away matches may demonstrate their frustration & be critical of the Manager/Players much more than in the past, when expectations weren't so high.
And of course another factor is social media where fans can vent their frustrations online too, which wasn't available for them in the past.
People are just less tolerant & more inclined to criticise others nowadays than the people of the past. That phenomenon is not just reserved for football, it can be about anything.
Listened to Stuart's Maynard's Pre Bradford Press Conference that was held this morning.
He talked a little bit about the dissapointing performance at Salford & why the Notts performance was very poor.
He talked about the state of the pitch at Salford & the excellent performance by Salford, who used the pitch to their advantage, & executed their tactics well.
Stuart talked about the disapointment the players felt, & how they wanted to change things against Bradford.He also hoped that the Notts fans will get behind the team on Saturday.
The question was asked if any more injured players were going to return, and we learned that Robertson was the closest to returning, maybe next week
Edwards, Jones & Grant would be looking to return in January, however Stuart was keen to say that those players will need time to get back up to speed, to be able to play to their best again.
We also learned that Notts were also looking at other players to bring in during the January window, but he didn't expand on that.
I didn't think that Stuart looked so confident in this interview than he has of late. Maybe he is feeling the pressure a little bit. I do think that the Bradford game will be very important for Stuart to get a win.
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My favourite sandwich as a child was cheese and jam, usually cheddar cheese & home made strawberry jam.
If cheese is naturally 'wet' forget it, if there's mould or holes - just give it to the cheese connoisseur, who believes every imperfection is a sign of true fromage artistry.
Provide me with cheddar by the bucketful or Edam in delightful rolls.
If it comes from 'France' send it back, as if you don't know how to eat 'Brie', well there's no point - it won't become your bestie.
Gary Bowyer: Burton Albion appoint ex-Blackburn and Dundee boss as head coach
Gary won a Championship trophy for Dundee then almost immediately found himself dismissed by the owners. It's a potty football world sometimes.
Please to see him appointed Head Coach at Burton. I wish him good luck. Hope he is supported by the owners with some cash in the January window.
The inside story of Gary Bowyer's Dundee exit as tensions laid bare before the hand-delivered note which sealed his fate | The Scottish Sun
Gary Bowyer Assumes Control as Burton Albion's New Head Coach - footboom1.com
I don't like Gary Bowyer. I find him to be one of those managers who appear to have something stuck, in an area I won't mention. However, it does seem to be a good appointment on paper for Burton.
He's the type of manager who gives youngsters a try; his experience in management is mostly positive. He should be able to help sort out the dressing room, and get them back to focusing on results on the pitch. It's just his personality, and the tendency of short term tenures that makes me feel unsure. A few years back, when he was linked with us and constantly being 'framed' as the next manager by a former Nottingham Post writer, I really felt like it would have ruined my love for Notts if it had been true.
I wonder if Burton fans will be able to overlook how Bowyer can act?
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This is the first time I have heard of Jonathan Klinsmann. It's possible that I am forgetting, but I am really surprised to learn that Jürgen Klinsmann has a 27-year-old son playing for Cesena.
His career doesn't really stand out for much; his father's was impressive. Jonathan's looks like he's had limited opportunities.
Either, he's not a very good goalkeeper and has a career in football based on his father/families name, or he's been unlucky. I don't think he can follow Jürgen's footsteps: it looks like he's living in his shadows.
An interesting read on the Sam Smith's pub chain
@Piethagoram that is a really long read but I found every word fascinating, I remember going in a Sam Smiths pub in Harrogate it was one of the best pints I’ve ever had. It’s fascinating to read how Humphrey runs his empire.
When I lived in Hull, Sam Smith's was the go to beer!
It comes across like a medieval fiefdom! Perhaps, he should care for his landlords more! All the closed pubs, surely the land value has increased somewhat! From a business perspective, perhaps the land is worth more than running the pubs as a stand alone business?
It is good to preserve a specific pub culture that avoids modern distractions. This creates a more authentic drinking experience. Traditional pubs have a unique charm. They offer a cosy atmosphere where people can enjoy a quiet drink and good conversation.
Avoiding distractions like loud music or multiple screens allows for a more relaxed and genuine experience. It preserves the pub's authentic charm.
2 hours ago, Fan of Big Tone said:@Piethagoram that is a really long read but I found every word fascinating, I remember going in a Sam Smiths pub in Harrogate it was one of the best pints I’ve ever had. It’s fascinating to read how Humphrey runs his empire.
It was like listening to one of @super_ram's tales. ????
I am not really a pub person, so it doesn't really jump out of my head or make me feel encouraged to continue reading. I admit I don't know much about the subject, but I appreciate how it shows that pubs have unique charms and quirky styles rather than all looking the same. I also love the pub sign; the artwork is awesome! That does make me want to visit The New Inn.
If he gets the job it’ll be interesting to see how he gets on.
Did anyone else find it odd how Notts was mentioned as if we were a footnote in his career? Despite managing Notts for the 2017-18 season and being sacked shortly into the 2018-19 season, the article barely acknowledged his time with us.
His time at Leyton Orient is similar to what he achieved in his first year with us, perhaps a bit unfair that he got sacked and replaced for finishing just outside the playoffs.
Yet his experience seems to be solely within League Two, and to be honest, his appointment to me would say that Bristol Rovers are preparing for relegation rather than hoping to stay up. Kevin Nolan leads a party-type dressing room, reminiscent of the drinking culture of the 90s within the English game. I think that's the wrong type of attitude to bring in when you need to act as professional on the pitch, and focus on getting positive results.
It's one thing to let your hair down, but there's another establishing a rowdy carefree drink fuelled by boozing when you are on the verge of relegation.
Whilst I have never seen, and I am not sure the rumours of Nolan being a p**s head here at Notts. I am aware that he was around a drinking culture, and often went out with his "favourites" who did tend to drink too much (the players).
I don't think it would be a sensible appointment, mostly because I can see all this repeating.
I think he has the ability to get the best out of a team, but only when things are set up right or appear to be the case. The moment things start to go wrong, he becomes more red in the face than someone stuck upside down on a roller-coast loop, he starts panicking, making poorer decisions and visible signs of stress (such as sweating all the time). This will be on the off for him, if appointed at Bristol Rovers. He is a good coach, but I'm unsure if he can be a successful manager for an extended time. He's hardly Joey Barton, but I suppose they see a similar character in Nolan. Surely, they could have given Matt Taylor longer?
Celtic overtake Rangers, which clubs have won the most trophies ever in world football?
Celtic overtake Rangers - which clubs have won the most trophies ever in world football? | Transfermarkt
Anglo Italian Cup should have a factor of x120
Nice to see a shock like this. Barcelona's 2nd defeat on the trot at home. The Barca manager will be under pressure.
Click the link to watch the highlights.
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A click and bait story by the BBC pushing their global warming agenda by making it initially appear as a story about Polar Bears. I was even sucked into it.
Good advice but would pensioners, the vunerable and less well off know how to set up their central heating correctly?
And if they don't, would they be able to afford an engineer to set up their system properly and show them what to do?
Hmm, interesting article but to be honest I’ve given up worrying about energy bills I just want to be comfortably warm so if I’m cold I turn the heating up, simple. I know I’m lucky enough to be able to afford it, I feel sorry for those that struggle to pay their bills and have to be cold.
6 hours ago, Robbie said:Good advice but would pensioners, the vunerable and less well off know how to set up their central heating correctly?
Well I’m a pensioner and I would know how to set it up if necessary, I don’t think we should bracket all pensioners as being technophobes or dim and need help.
I do however agree that some will need help and hopefully they have younger relatives or friends who can help.
We have three gas wall heaters. We have them serviced every year to ensure they are fully efficient.
When we had a gas boiler at previous properties we had them serviced yearly too, and the engineer would check out the radiators and bleed them if necessary to remove air.
It is important that the heating system is as efficient as possible. But because of the cost of living, some may skip on the servicing to save money,
Millwall manager Neil Harris to step down from role this weekend | Millwall | The Guardian
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With Harris's contract up next summer, I wonder if the club told him they wouldn't be renewing it, and he offered to go earlier?
Having Macca back on loan would be great, but I doubt it will happen. The new manager might be keen to work with him, and if he does go out on loan, I think it's more likely to be in League One.
11 minutes ago, DangerousSausage said:and if he does go out on loan, I think it's more likely to be in League One.
Knowing our luck he’ll go to Mansfield.
35 minutes ago, Fan of Big Tone said:Knowing our luck he’ll go to Mansfield.
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Or Wrexham!
Nmai nominated for monthly award | Official Salford City FC website
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Liam Shephard - Wikipedia
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Why the ahah....it's not funny
13 minutes ago, gtownjohnno said:Perhaps their Manager!!!!!!
I see Burchnall is available!!!Whatever happens nobody please suggest him to replace the BT engineer!!!!
I thought Haji Mnoga played well and he was on trial with us for a period during pre-season. And Tyrese Fornah, on loan from Derby, in midfield was very good for them too.
Eighteen goals in 52 appearances for two different clubs since he left Notts is a reasonable haul.
Looks like Eli Sam is enjoying his football post Notts. Good for him.
It's a decent haul, but is it even a professional club? They're currently sitting second bottom of the Cypriot first division. It's a shame really, with the right breaks he could have played on a bigger stage.
Yeah I thought he was a talented player, he had the physicality to compete in the lower level English leagues but he was a lot more skilful than the average player. I think he was just not very confident when he first arrived and when he did depart it sounded like he never really settled here which was a shame.
That scorpion kick goal is arguably one of the the best Notts' goals, he was robbed by not evening getting nominated for the puskas awards! ????⚽
Who's your Man of the Match v Salford? 15 members have voted
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1. Choose your Notts Player of the Match
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Dan Crowley53%8
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Nick Tsaroulla0%0
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Josh Martin0%0
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Jacob Bedeau6%1
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Lucas Ness0%0
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Jack Hinchy0%0
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Sam Austin0%0
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Matty Platt0%0
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David McGoldrick40%6
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A dissapointing performance by Notts against Salford. But who was the best Notts player on the field of play against Salford?
My Player shortlist is:-
Crowley, Tsaroulla, Martin, Bedeau, Ness, Hinchy, Austin, Platt, McGoldrick.
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Still disillusioned as to why Abbott hasn't made the list.
Just a polite reminder.
Poll closes at 9 pm Tuesday guys.
Oxford United can confirm that Des Buckingham has left his role as Men’s First Team Head Coach.
Club Statement: Des Buckingham Departs | Oxford United Football Club
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He wouldn't come down two divisions to manage Notts. Notts couldn't afford his wage demands.
I don't want a manager who was sacked anyway when we have a perfectly good Head Coach right now who's been doing an excellent job.This anti Maynard hysteria really has to stop.
Des Buckingham: Oxford United fans react to head coach sacking
I would still take him at Notts
It's a bit daft, he could have helped them bounce back. I don't see the sense in firing a manager who is good enough to see a side return or at least continue to compete at the upper end of a division they were previously dominant in. If they hope it will be enough to stay up, then they should have shown more faith in Des Buckingham.
I don't think you can expect them to always have better form than they currently do, the Championship is a difficult league and even League One is becoming very competitive with teams that could easily be in the league above. I would have felt more at ease, if I were an Oxford fan knowing that we had a manager who could navigate the league below or continue to build them as an established Championship team.
That's what he seemed to be doing: he has done well with making Oxford fit in amongst much bigger named teams.
These days we can't really say where managers will, or won't go. A managerial job is what pays wages, and I think it's more likely with our current setup that we could attract a manager who has done well at League One level (plus in the Championship) based on the club's ambition. Although, it's beside the point currently because we have Stuart Maynard in charge. The discussion of his replacement only really comes when the club announces his departure, which despite losing my faith in Maynard I really hope he can ride out the storm.
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What a ridiculous story, fans are always wanting a manager sacked, it looks like the Sun have read a few comments on message boards and made up a non story.
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Don't worry, @Piethagoram. I'll rescind your red card.
It's not like you mentioned the person who should not be named at the recent live event.
12 hours ago, DangerousSausage said:Off to the naughty step you go @Piethagoram!
That's funny
I'm not bothered who takes over to be honest. Too much pundit talk and too little action for my liking.
Never heard of her but after reading the article and seeing her picture I think I may have seen her.
I gave up on MOTD years ago, it’s now 70% waffle and 30% football. Much preferred the days when Jimmy Hill was a sole presenter so all we got was extended match highlights of two or three games. Same with the Big Match on ITV, football coverage was a lot simpler and so much better, now it’s a case of just listening to analysis and watching a few very brief highlights.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for another prediction league round - hopefully more than four games will go ahead this week! They all kick off at 3pm, and remember your joker!
Middlesbrough v Millwall
Stoke City v Cardiff City
Charlton Athletic v Mansfield Town
Rotherham United v Northampton Town
AFC Wimbledon v Doncaster Rovers
Grimsby Town v Crewe Alexandra
Altrincham v Sutton United
Southend United v Hartlepool United
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Well done @Fan of Big Tone,
2 minutes ago, DangerousSausage said:The PON elders won out this week - congrats to this round's winner @Fan of Big Tone, closely followed by @super_ram!
Whoop, whoop, ee-aye, ee-aye, ee -aye-oh up the table here I go.
Just now, super_ram said:Well done @Fan of Big Tone,
And to you my friend.
2 minutes ago, Robbie said:At least I'm safe from relegation. That's a positive.
Depends. Maybe I'll relegate everyone but me

That's true, but our defence was weaker.
Alex Bass, Matty Platt and Jacob Bedau are all massive signings which are starting to suffer from our current tactics. This season, we have improved the squad overall, but failed to make sure the depth is there in the scenario of injuries. That let Stuart Maynard down, but it just shows how complex football is.
And Stuart was behind getting those better players in and removing players that weren't good enough .
Whereas Luke kept those players that proved to be not good enough for league 2.
The next half a dozen matches will be important for Stuart I think. If he comes through it with a reasonable record & think the owners will stick with him.
Agree. The Brothers will support SM unless the next 6 games are a disaster. They know chopping and changing does not work and I believe the stats support this too. Changing manager mid season only works less than half the time.
A manager needs at least 3, preferably 4 windows to make it his team. This allows contracts to run out and free up funds as well as time for tactics to evolve and improve with experience. Sadly, most owners and so many supporters fail to see this. Fortunately The Brothers are not so short sighted. We need to remember how fortunate we are to have them as owners.