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Scotland are out of Euro 24 after losing to Hungary with virtually the last kick of the match.

Scotland were denied a clear penalty with just three minutes to go. The referee said no to a penalty and the incident didn't even go to VAR, which is inexplicable.

The BBC pundits all agreed that it should have been a penalty. If VAR is supposed to be there to check if a Ref makes a mistake in penalty decisions, why are there inconsistencies with VAR? 

Overall, Scotland just didn't do enough in the game from the possession they had. They lacked quality up front and didn't really threaten the Hungary goal till the last ten minutes of the game.

Did anyone see the game and if you did what  are your views on Scotland?

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  • Scotland has always suffered from the fact that their League system is so weak 

    They have two sides in Rangers & Celtic who would struggle to get out of the Championship and the rest of the Premier League is top of English League 1 standard only. 

    The rest of the teams outside their Premier League, some of our National league sides would beat them.

    And because more & more foreigners are coming in, the Scottish players get less & less game time & have to come to England.

    Scotland used to rely on big name players in the past, who played in the old first divisions like Dalglish, McLeish, McStay, McCoist, Robertson, Law & McAlister when they used to beat England quite often.

    Scotland had a shot at advancing, but after their initial loss to Germany, I always felt it wouldn’t materialise. It was a crushing defeat, marked by the most defensive football I’ve seen all tournament. In their second game, they should have strived to maintain their lead against the Swiss. Instead, they narrowly avoided a loss, as they were outplayed in the final 20 minutes.

    On 24/06/2024 at 07:40, Piethagoram said:

    If Armstrong hadn't have grabbed Orban's shirt, I think that was the element of doubt that prevented the penalty being given

    i think the referee seen it has two players coming together, armstrong does have a hold of the player but he also puts his left knee/foot out in an aggerated way that makes me think he knew he would be brought down. i am not sure its a penalty, because what can the defender do? hes not going to magically stop running.

    the slow down really does show the defender made no intention to bring him down, it was forced due to movement.

    armstrong may have done better to naturally shield the ball and remove his arms from the defender, as he could have got a shot away or made the defender react in a way that was to bring him down. not two players coming together because one saw the opportunity to come together.

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  • Very Good Point @Robbie  perhaps the only Comfort we Fans can take is the statement from Richard Montague , when he and Joe Palmer appeared on the Magpie Circle pod cast, in which he stated  Notts don't have to sell Players and it take a Huge Offer to Prise Macca from the Lane. Also take Comfort that Macca doesn't want to Leave. But every Player has his Price, and according to some Reports Macca is already on his way to Millwall , with only Personal Terms to be Agreed.

    If that's the case (and it's a Big If)  you  would have thought the Club would have come out with a Statement on the matter  By saying Nothing would be totally  Unprofessional and I wouldn't call the Notts Board Unprofessional.

    @Wheelbarrow repair man

    Possible reason for the silence? Season ticket sales. Maybe by making him captain they wanted to boost season ticket sales too.

    There's been a big push for season ticket sales during the last week before the cheaper renewal deadline expires.

    I wonder if the sales are behind last year's figures.Notts need to be open and honest with supporters if Macca is on the point of going.

    i noticed that @ARLukomski tweeted this, its a shame but we did a similar thing by gutting our promotion winning team and its not always the best idea. obviously teams are coming in for the crawley players, but its going to be hard for them to stay up in league one imo. i really think they will struggle and its a shame because they had done so well together.

Is returning home for family reasons, he’ll be a big miss, I hope it’s only temporarily.

So here we are, another weekend beckons, what’s happening in your life? 
 

At the moment Mrs T is cooking one of her famous home made curries made with paneer, it smells lovely.

Tomorrow I’m hoping to do my 100th park run, I’ve had a dodgy knee but I think it’s ok now so I’ll give it a go.

Sunday I’ll be watching the match no doubt shouting at the telly.

Whats everyone else up to?

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  • As for me, I can’t say I have anything thrilling planned. I’ll probably be watching whatever games are on TV. The rest of my plans will depend on the weather. If it’s nice, I might treat myself to a Sunday dinner at the local pub.

    tomorrow i have no idea, i have been hoping to get back on my bike and go out on it. its been a bit too warm for that, though it would be nice to explore some of the parks in and around nottingham playing pokemon go.

    sunday, i have to fetch my mums shopping and take my aunt to derby, so that she can go to this event thing.

    2 hours ago, Robbie said:

    @Blake Nothing wrong with that. Hoping for the best for England. Hoping they can win well and lift the Nation.

    Please let my parents know that I won't be the only one watching the Euros. ????

Gateshead but rumoured to be on Notts' radar

 

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  • I don’t think we can really judge Richardson from his time with us! One game just isn’t enough to get a fair reflection of his ability. I don’t think we’ve signed any of the players we’ve been linked with so far, but if you throw enough names out there someone will get one right at some point!

    I can’t say I’ve seen much of him but he’s featured regularly for Gateshead and the fact he's linked with a host of clubs higher up is reassuring (assuming a few are true). But then all our defenders struggled with the step up from the NL, this would be my concern with Richardson too.

    I’ve seen him play several times for Gateshead. He has grown into his role there and has the potential to be a good signing. However, I don’t think it would be beneficial for him unless he continues to get regular game time. With the new signings and players like Lewis Macari and Kyle Caermon leaving, some players might find their opportunities limited, and Kenton Richardson could suffer from a lack of game time. It would be like re-signing Alex Lacey with no intention of playing him.

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  • 1 hour ago, Chris said:

    Hopefully, the league cup is worth taking seriously, but we seem to take the ELF trophy more seriously in recent years. Just like the FA Cup is well worth taking seriously, and not choosing to drop out of it.

    Agreed, we looked very good.

    We didn't look the same when we played them in this after that, Shrewsbury looked much better, but we didn't give a very good account of ourselves.

    Chris, the cup game at the San Sirrel, we gifted them. Their striker who got a hat trick hardly scored for them that season

    A good goal for Sanderson for us, we were unlucky not to get another

    By taking the Cups seriously, I mean that we should play our strongest squad, not necessarily our strongest team. 

    That's probably one of the reasons Stuart wanted to put together a bigger stronger squad to be able to rest some players on occasionally even for the League matches.

    Notts can still put some of our star players on the substitutes bench for cup games in the early rounds, & Notts should still be very competitive with a good large squad.

It's been Reported that England Fans threw Plastic Beer Cups at England Manager Gareth Southgate. It's Now been reported by some Unnamed Journalist that Plastic Beer Cups were thrown from all Angles and several hit section where England Player's Family and Friends sat. According to Aston Villa's Ezri Konsa his Brother was Hit but was fine after the Incident. 

It was also Stated that None of the England Players Family or Friends were recognised, and None were Deliberately Targeted. Konsa also Stated that Southgate hadn't spoken to the Players regarding the Beer Cups being thrown at him. When Pressed further Konsa said things like this Happen In Football. We try Not to Think About It So We Move On. It seems to me a Bit of an Odd Story Or even a None Story and Comes Across has the Gutter Press, Are Trying To Paint England Fans in a Poor Light.

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  • The act of throwing bottles is disgraceful. It’s acceptable to voice your opinions or chant them, but there’s no justification for hurling objects or being offensive.

    its all just disappointing isnt it? i think its poor behaviour on the england fans but our media is just terrible for spinning negative stories. its a joke which is not funny.

    Minority spoil it for the majority, but sadly that’s the case for everything these days. I don’t think anyone would dispute that a small number of the fans from all nations who have gone are d’heads who will cause trouble and get into fights but the majority will just be there to support their team. I guess writing a piece about 90% of the fans just going to watch the football and behaving is what you’d expect so it's kind of pointless to do. But I get that it would be nice for these papers to report the good things about the fan experience too.

Hold on to your hats.

 

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  • I believe we were previously interested in Rod McDonald a few years ago, but I am not sure if that was serious. He's a good player, comfortable on the ball and copes with pressure. I am very pleased we have signed him, as he doesn't seem to have aged yet and should have a few good seasons left in him.

    Yes, he's only 32-years-old, but I have seen some fans concerned about that and I don't think it's an issue. He's a bright and alert defender, who should help us improve defensively.

    @Chris

    If Rod can do a job for Notts for a couple of seasons and help Notts to get promotion, it will be money well spent. 

    I just believe that Rod is just the kind of player we needed. If it is true, that he is calm on the ball that's exactly what we need, especially after what we saw last season.

    If Notts can stem the goals against by around 35 goals, compared to last season, Notts are promoted.

    He appears to be a sturdy addition to the team. Notts are constructing what seems to be a very equitable and balanced side. The defensive reinforcements, such as Rod McDonald, are greatly appreciated.

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  • 30 minutes ago, Chris said:

    @Robbie it used to be a yearly habit of watching the Grand National, we used to have a friendly bet within the family and on occasions a bet would be placed, but I have to admit, I lost interest. It's the same with the University Boat Race. Habits change; information isn't stored the same. Technology has a lot to do with it IMO.

    I see what you mean Chris.

    I can remember those iconic thoroughbred horses, from the 70s like Mill Reef,  Brigadier Gerrard, and Nijinsky, I still remember that the Brigadier won 17 out of 18 major races and his only defeat came from another great, Roberto.

    I can't name a modern horse at all now. 

 

 

It's a bit crass @Dry Nelson Ray ????

But you need to realise didn't Dolly have a big hit singing about Notts?

Jodi, Jodi, Jodi, Jodi

I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Jodi, Jodi, Jodi, Jodi
Please don't take him just because you can

:rollonfloorlaughing:

 

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  • clubs need to recruit within their means but try to sign the best players they can afford, i think andy holt needs to try to replicate the squad that did take them up and avoid complaining about the funds teams use. he wont stop clubs from having higher funds or using more.

    15 hours ago, Chris said:

    Some interesting comments, such as the amount of money teams in the National League are paying, but I just find Andy Holt to be someone who's never happy any more. He's always got something negative to say, usually towards things that don't concern him. He's done well as a chairman and for Accrington, those are things he deserves credit for. When they got promoted to League One, he seemed a much more interesting person.

    I just find his complaints about football as an industry and as a competition to be double-negative. If he hates it so much, I wished he would get out of it or quit complaining. However, it's the thing which seems to make him most relevant, and he likes that.

    He needs to be careful what he says about when things go wrong, as Accrington seem to be taking steps back and could find themselves in the National League themselves in the next 3 years. Yet, that will be down to their budget, not the recruitment according to him.

    Sorry to disagree @Chris I always find Andy Holt's musings as a breath of fresh air, a sensible voice in the finances of football. He always explains the situation of the problems the smaller clubs face. Football finance expert Kieran Maguire recently mentioned average losses in EFL1 were close to £5m. Small teams were always going to find it difficult on promotion to EFL1

    https://www.deloitte.com/uk/en/services/financial-advisory/research/annual-review-of-football-finance-football-league-clubs.html

    Edit: If you strip our Derby's losses, EFL1 clubs losing around £4m a season

Well! His instagram seems to have been taken down?

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  • Until more information is available, it’s all conjecture. I haven’t come across any news reports linking him to Notts. He might be in discussions with the club, but it’s common for players to post pictures like that. It seems harmless enough to me, but who can tell? Things might be unfolding, we just have to be patient and see.

    The Photo shows Will Evans at Notts County. He's Invisible  then? What an Asset a Striker you can't see, he could play havoc with opponents defences. If you can't see him, you can't mark him, then again if your Team Mates can't see you ? Ah Well maybe Not such a Good Signing.

     

Do you Remember the Famous Piano Sketch with Morecombe & Wise and Andre Previn?

Where Eric Grabbed Andre  by the Collar of his Jacket and said this Famous Line.

I'm Playing All The Right Notes, But Not Necessarily In The Right Order.

Well Today my Eldest Son showed me a Photo, which is on X (I think)

In which Gareth Southgate has Replaced Eric and Line Reads

I'm Playing All The Right Players, But Not Necessarily In The Right Positions.

I really am hoping one of my Fellow PON Members can find it and Post it on Here. I can't I'm afraid I'm Not On X.

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  • I do believe that heading the football, especially back in the days when the ball was made of pure leather and became really heavy when it was soaking wet, does have an impact on ex-footballers later on in life especially leading to issues like Dementia. 

    Football's of today are nothing like they were but even despite this, there is still a danger that it could have an impact on the brain. It just depends on how long before it takes effect, especially if you're continually heading the ball. Irrelevant of how lightweight the ball is, it's about the impact. In the images of Jeff Astle from a post above you can see how much impact there is.

    The only thing that can really be done is something they've slowly started integrating and that is to limit heading in training. Matchday scenarios can't be helped as it is part and parcel of the game, unless they want to do something drastic like go 5-a-side rules and stop the ball going above head height. Though I do agree in doing as much as possibly to stop children heading the ball. 

    I don't think it's right to sue anyone no matter how much you believe in it being the root cause. Even if it was proven to be the case, in those days there wasn't much in terms of assessing the dangers of heading the football as much as there is in today's world. Medical science has come a long way. 

    So many people are attempting to take legal action over issues that weren’t known at the time. I think Joe Kinnear’s daughter may struggle to prove that people knew injuries would lead to Joe’s death. Where does this insanity end? It reminds me of people trying to sue American gun manufacturers because of deaths caused by their use.

Euro 24 starts tonight with the hosts Germany v Scotland that kicks off in Munich at 8 pm.

 

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  • So far it's been a good tournament.

    VAR has proven during this tournament so far that it does have a place in the game. It's been quick and efficient and fans have been kept in the loop as to what's going on. The only exception with this was, shockingly, when English referees were involved in the game between France and Netherlands. The only time in which VAR took an age to come to a decision, a decision that I still feel was wrong, and disallow Xavi Simons goal.

    Shock of the group stage has got to be Georgia beating Portugal. 

    The only 2 teams that have impressed me throughout the group stage has been Spain and Austria. Spain have got to be deemed favourites now and Austria the dark horses.

    France and England, both the favourites going in to the tournament, haven't backed up that favourites tag. 

    I still feel like they need to abolish the whole best 3rd place teams go through. A few of the final group games were a bit of a bore because teams didn't want to risk anything, sat back and played for the draw as that was all that's needed to finish 3rd. It takes away the jeopardy. UEFA should have either kept it at 16 teams or made it 32 like the World Cup.

     

 

It will be at home on 10 August, Rushcliffe Rovers play at home 17th

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  • I don't usually worry about who we are drawn against, it doesn't make much of a difference to me because we have to play those teams at stages, but I do understand how difficult opening games can be. If you get a run of rough teams, it can make things difficult, but I believe with our squad. Tranmere would be a good game to start early.

    There's going to be changes, hopefully, ones which make more sense but this year, I am not fussed. I just want to get back to Meadow Lane, so Fleetwood and Grimsby at home are two fixtures I am looking forward to.

    To be honest the new fixture list has never interested me, We know we will be playing 6 different sides this season compared with the last one.

    At the end of the day we've got 46 league games and we probably need to win a minimum of 27 of them with 10 draws to be sure of  promotion.

    That's more or less what Stockport did last season, and they were Champions.

Welcome to Notts Curtis Edwards.

"He can play in various midfield roles, which gives us more flexibility and depth, and is a fantastic technician who’s also very hard-working and mobile between both boxes"

 

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  • I came across a piece of information, possibly on Twitter, that Curtis Edwards had a stint with Woking while he was between clubs and looking for a league team. It’s likely that Ian Burchnall recommended him to Michael Doyle, or perhaps Edwards consulted with Burchnall who then suggested Doyle. Regardless, it’s all come full circle now and he’s here with us. At first glance, he seems more like a coach or fitness trainer than a footballer, but I’m not one to judge. It was just an initial impression when I saw his photo. I’m confident he’ll prove to be a quality addition.

    I know you can't judge anyone by their appearance alone but I agree the main photo of him doesn't make him look particularly imposing. If you asked 100 people what he does and gave them the choice of IT Technician and Professional Footballer, I can see one getting a lot more votes!

    He'll probably turn out to be one of the fittest players next season and be able to run for days!

    He reminds me of a footballer from the late 90s to early 00s, but that's not a bad thing. Everyone says 'It's a man's game' when you see young players who fit the characteristics of players like Ed Francis and Will Patching (just as examples) but sometimes appearances isn't everything.

    I have no doubt that Curtis Edwards has the ability as a footballer to make a significant impact at Notts.

    Everything I know and have read tick the right boxes, so I am encouraged by the arrival of him and I think he fits to what we need. I am looking forward to seeing him on the pitch.

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  • The club conducted a commendable interview with Matt Palmer. He seems eager to return, even though it might take some time. However, he should be ready by the start of the season. I’m excited to see him don the Notts shirt again.

    Wouldn’t it be fantastic to have a team filled with players like Matt Palmer? It’s great to see him back, focusing on his fitness and working towards rejoining the starting line-up. He exudes quality, so I’m eager to see Palmer back in the squad on match days.

    I've always been a big fan of Matt Palmer's. When we signed him I was over the moon because I knew what sort of quality he would bring. It surprised me that he stepped down to the National League to join us, especially when he was still only like, what 26-years-old? He really could have joined a League One/Two team and found himself back higher up the football pyramid quite easily.

    I also genuinely believe he arrived here because he liked the project which was being built and could see Notts creating a team where he would thrive and most importantly enjoy his football. He's like that as a player, when he enjoys his football nothing can unsettle him or put him off his game. I don't remotely think he joined us because we offered the best wages, as that's not the type of person he seems to be. Having him back will be a massive boost to our squad, because players not only know what he brings but what to expect from him when he is in the team.

    There's a reason why he's always in the squad selection on match days, and it's not just because he's consistent or hard-working.

Parachute payments were introduced by the Premier League in the 2006/07 season as a method of limiting the financial damage a relegated team may endure when dropping down to the Championship.

Parachute payments also exist for teams that have been relegated from the Championship, League 1 & League 2 as well.

Unfortunately, parachute payments gives relegated clubs an unfair financial advantage over all those other clubs in those respective leagues where those relegated Clubs find themselves.

The evidence is there for all to see where we are now in the age of the yo yo club that gets relegated, then gets promoted again.

Parachute payments have clearly made the football league less competitive when it comes to clubs trying to gain promotion.

This state of affairs just cannot go on and needs to be addressed by the FA & EFL

My suggestion would be to abolish parachute payments for relegated clubs, & distribute that money, that would have been used for parachute payments, to all the other league clubs.

I would also put a cap on transfers and wages in all four leagues, as a fixed lump sum in each league, not an amount based on percentage of turnover, which unfairly benefits the rich Clubs.

A good article on parachute payments follows.????

Premier League parachute payments gap 'a major concern' says EFL

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65323385.amp

 

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  • @Chris @Wheelbarrow repair man

    I just don't think that the excuse of parachute payments as a lifeline for clubs being relegated stands at all.

    Parachute payments clearly stifles competition in the lower league and encourages the phenomenon of yo yo clubs. We've seen it in the Championship year after year.

    It is simply not fair and that fact should override any justification for keeping parachute payments.

    Football needs fixing and the first priority is to make football more exciting and less predictable.

    That means stopping Parachute Payments & putting a cap on transfers and players wages.

    It is a lifeline, but not for every club.

    It offers the majority of teams financial stability, with the modern game the way it is - it isn't uncommon for owners to sell up (or try) leaving the club in difficult circumstances. In our own case, without the payments to ourselves, our first season in the National League could have been much harder.

    The funds helped the club operate between Alan Hardy's exit and the arrival of the Reedtz brothers who acted quickly, but the parachute payments meant we were able to do stuff before. Against his credit, Neal Ardley worked tirelessly to keep Notts in a good position, and it's something that tends to be overlooked due to him being the manager who unfortunately was at the helm when we got relegated. Alan Hardy took Notts down, him, along with Kevin Nolan and Harry 'useless' Kewell.

    Clubs need to take into consideration what their finances might look like without the parachute payments, making sure players wages are affordable. Yet, a lot rely on being able to afford their talent. In some cases, players would want to move on due to a large drop in wages. Other than them wanting to return to their previous playing level, due to chasing the international dream, better wages etc.

    Numerous teams have been saved from administration due to the induction of the parachute payments, which was part of their intended design.

    However, I believe it's three more times likely that teams who receive them end up being promoted back the following season.

    We don't know how this number would change if abolished, nor how many teams may find themselves in Bury's situation. Personally, I think football should be fairer, but the removal of it could cause further implications to our game.

     

    Not a fan of parachute payments, it should absolutely be abolished. 

    As it has been mentioned, it gives teams an unfair advantage when getting relegated which is why we see so many teams become Yo-Yo clubs. They're too good for the Championship but not good enough for the Premier League.

    Parachute payments also mean that clubs spend outside of their means which then results in them going into administration. Now more than ever clubs are being more cautious about what they spend due to implications of over spending due to their being a crack down on losses, ffp etc. 

    Parachute payments don't last forever so if clubs spend outside their means but don't get promoted and stay where they are or even get relegated, finances become a real issue. 

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